The Spotburning Thread
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The_Sasquatch
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And that's really the point, isn't it?
Here are the customary, established rules about this.
1. It's only OK to "spot burn" streams if they are:
a) Already over-crowded, so that they can be made even more crowded.
b) At least 2 hours drive from where most paflyfish members live.
2) Unstocked wild trout streams currently fished mostly by guys using worms, and carrying creels, must never be mentioned on a flyfishing website.
1. It's only OK to "spot burn" streams if they are:
a) Already over-crowded, so that they can be made even more crowded.
b) At least 2 hours drive from where most paflyfish members live.
2) Unstocked wild trout streams currently fished mostly by guys using worms, and carrying creels, must never be mentioned on a flyfishing website.
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I haven't been following this thread. Have I missed anything new?
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned in any of these posts is that
having a lot of people fishing a stream doesn't by its self have a negative effect on the stream. What does have an effect on streams is when people take a bunch a fish out of the stream. I think that poaching is the problem that people should really be discussing hear. I don't think keeping streams secret is the solution to the poaching problem. When very few people use a stream, it is easier for people to get a way with the poaching. How can people complain about the poaching, if no one knows that the poached streams even exist.
having a lot of people fishing a stream doesn't by its self have a negative effect on the stream. What does have an effect on streams is when people take a bunch a fish out of the stream. I think that poaching is the problem that people should really be discussing hear. I don't think keeping streams secret is the solution to the poaching problem. When very few people use a stream, it is easier for people to get a way with the poaching. How can people complain about the poaching, if no one knows that the poached streams even exist.
JohnPowers
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Please don't anyone burn that great spot at bells mill road.
troutslammer
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tyoung ,
did you ever see anyone poaching on a stream ?
did you ever see anyone poaching on a stream ?
Flytie09
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Wow. It seems as though this has hit a nerve with many. My appologies to DBNymph for hijacking his LL thread and taking it off topic. A newbie to the PA area or PAFFF need not feel afraid to say "hey I had luck at X stream with Y fly on xx/yy/zz" online. He didn't even spot burn, if anything he was as undescriptive as one could be in a report.
Heck, I'm not even a resident of PA nor have I fished more than a dozen different streams within PA myself. I enjoy reading about someone having luck and putting together an insightful, educational, and entertaining report in Forums/blogs as I am a member of several.
However, I don't appologize for what I said within my post. As the 1st amendment grants everyone the freedom to say and write whatever you want, there is a reaction for those actions. You can list the stream, time of day, size and number of fish, fly name, what water type, some pics, etc., but there are details that you can put in a report (spot burning details - landmarks) that do nothing but to diminsh the long term enjoyment that you or other anglers will have in these streams going forward. Heck pics will even give some stuff away.
This is probably a regurgitated point, but I see the same stream reports over and over and over. I'd say leave the stream reports, all of us office monkeys love them, but leave out the stream name all together. Otherwise this debate will continue. As the last 12 pages have shown, I'm not alone in my views. Others feel the opposite and want it all. They see pressure as a good thing, like all of the information, and think it's better now than it was 50 yrs ago. Like any debate, there is a happy ground that both sides can meet at.
Are fly fisherman the only ones on these sites? No. If someone writes a juicy tidbit about a blanket hatch on the XX at the covered bridge, I'll guarandamntee it there'll be more people there than when you were there last. Where's theres fish, theres someone chasing the damn thing. If they're all the best guys in the world great, but I still like my solitude once in awhile. I'll share, but not fishing spots or my wife (my 2 honey holes)!!
So.... fish on, tight lines, and may all your buggers be wooly!!
2SENCE!
Heck, I'm not even a resident of PA nor have I fished more than a dozen different streams within PA myself. I enjoy reading about someone having luck and putting together an insightful, educational, and entertaining report in Forums/blogs as I am a member of several.
However, I don't appologize for what I said within my post. As the 1st amendment grants everyone the freedom to say and write whatever you want, there is a reaction for those actions. You can list the stream, time of day, size and number of fish, fly name, what water type, some pics, etc., but there are details that you can put in a report (spot burning details - landmarks) that do nothing but to diminsh the long term enjoyment that you or other anglers will have in these streams going forward. Heck pics will even give some stuff away.
This is probably a regurgitated point, but I see the same stream reports over and over and over. I'd say leave the stream reports, all of us office monkeys love them, but leave out the stream name all together. Otherwise this debate will continue. As the last 12 pages have shown, I'm not alone in my views. Others feel the opposite and want it all. They see pressure as a good thing, like all of the information, and think it's better now than it was 50 yrs ago. Like any debate, there is a happy ground that both sides can meet at.
Are fly fisherman the only ones on these sites? No. If someone writes a juicy tidbit about a blanket hatch on the XX at the covered bridge, I'll guarandamntee it there'll be more people there than when you were there last. Where's theres fish, theres someone chasing the damn thing. If they're all the best guys in the world great, but I still like my solitude once in awhile. I'll share, but not fishing spots or my wife (my 2 honey holes)!!
So.... fish on, tight lines, and may all your buggers be wooly!!
2SENCE!
FarmerDave
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LOL!
Don't worry, I won't spot burn that great spot of Bells mills road.
I hope many of you have noticed that several of us passionate anti-kiss-and-tell fishermen have stayed out of this. Our reasoned, logical remarks would surely have inflamed many of those who like to divulge and share favorite honey holes. I believe one of the mid-discussion posts was stuck in to "get me going"! Perhaps I have become intimated by being excoriated in the past for my views.
wildtrout2
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In about 3 years of being a member here, I have NEVER fished a stream because it was mentioned on the forums. Never. One time I got the name of a stream to try from another member via PM, and actually fished it.
I will also mention that when I was new here I made mention of a certain stream in Potter county, not being aware of it's stature. I was PMed with a polite responce, and GREAT advice regarding the mention of certain streams. I'm much the wiser now.
All of the streams I fish are on the Class A list. They can be fished by anyone who is willing to work for their wild trout. The funny thing is I almost never see another angler on any of them! Go figure. lol
I will also mention that when I was new here I made mention of a certain stream in Potter county, not being aware of it's stature. I was PMed with a polite responce, and GREAT advice regarding the mention of certain streams. I'm much the wiser now.
All of the streams I fish are on the Class A list. They can be fished by anyone who is willing to work for their wild trout. The funny thing is I almost never see another angler on any of them! Go figure. lol
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Opening day,1963, Bells Mill Road. I'm on the chestnut hill side a guy with a boat rod and a Penn Squidder on the other side winds up, casts and as his reel bird nests the line snaps and a three ounce pyramid sinker misses me by inches and actually stuck in a tree behind me. Let's keep that spot to ourselves.
