The Spotburning Thread

salvelinusfontinalis wrote:
I also have it in a weatherproof ammunition box that hangs around my neck.
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Jack,

How much did this run you or did you not buy it? I imagine its fairly light weight also.
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A fellow got it for me at an Army Surplus. He thought I'd like it for my cigarettes. It fits my camera and is all plastic and the lid fits tight. There may be a photo I can share later.
 
What I find interesting is that when I Google something like "fishing xxxxx creek in pa" this site is rarely at the top of the list and often well down the page.

When I google 'wild trout streams in pa', again, this site is well down the list.

For all those complaining about how this site is ruining your fishing, I sure hope you're wasting as much time and energy trying to knock down all those other windmills too.
 
Quick point. I have met more fly anglers on stream who never even heard of this site or do not post. They also account for the anonymous viewers.
 
I've also Google searched about 20 "[name of stream] stream reports" and this site gets listed anywhere from 2-6 on about half of them and some of the listed one are on "lesso3 known" streams.
 
the Google, it's all in how you use it I guess.

And with the other hits you get, I imagine you're also on those sites telling them how to run their show...
 
"the google" I like that. I may have to borrow it from you. I promise though i won't post something in tips and tricks stealing it from you.
 
I really did not have the time and/or energy to read through every post on this discussion, so I apologize if I repeat something from earlier. Bottom line, IMO, spot burning sucks and it does have a significant impact on certain streams. In my case, a local MD Limestoner, that has been absolutely hammered lately due to a new fly shop. I really don't fault the fly shop, and I think overall it is a greater asset to the stream, than detriment. My negative feelings are mostly self centered in the fact that I used to have the stream to myself on most days, and now it is hit hard on a daily basis. What I've done to curb my negativity, has been to try to educate some of the new fly fishers that are trying that particular stream for the first time, or are stuggling with technique. I've almost obtained as much joy watching someone else catch a fish in there, as catching one myself, and at least I know the person comes away with a better idea of how to minimize disturbing the stream, while enjoying the resource.

The second thing that I've done to curb my frustation is not to fish the same stream repeatedly. As you can see from my stream reports, I am constantly trying to change up the water that I'm fishing. I've found that much more rewarding, than hitting the same water over and over fishing to the same trout. I do realize that some people don't have the time or resources to do that kind of traveling, but it is nice fishing different water on a weekly basis, and if I post a glorious post about the stream I fished last week, I really don't have to worry about dealing with crowds, cause I'll be somewhere else the following week. I admire the guys who dedicate themselves to one stream and fish it 150+ times a year, but I find it kind of sad too (kinda like being married 🙂.

I guess my point is...most negative feelings about spotburning are self centered and there is an aspect of entitlement surrounding them. I believe the more advocates a stream has, ultimately, the better off it will be. I'm probably not right, but that is how I feel.
 
GreenWeenie wrote:
I've also Google searched about 20 "[name of stream] stream reports" and this site gets listed anywhere from 2-6 on about half of them and some of the listed one are on "lesso3 known" streams.
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I searched the google for “Big Spring Creek” and most of the first page came up with multiple ads and articles from Gene Macri’s site among other sites with stream info. Gene Macri is a good guy looking out for BS, but in nearly every article is the claim that BS has more brook trout and big brook than any other stream in the country.

The only thing picked up from PAFF in this search was a thread started by you (Greenweenie) about all the big fish in the stream and how it is easy pickins for being poached by baiters. (First post on the second page)

Big Spring Google Search

Unfortunately, I have to read all the posts in this thread (and every thread) because I'm a Mod. I gave up my right to ignore threads containing drivel and repeating the same stuff post after post after post after post. Everyone has had a chance to comment - hopefully!
 
Afish, the point of that post was to point out the poaching incidents that occurred probably as a result of all the publicity the stream had been receiving. It was done to bring attention to what can happened when streams receive much unneeded publicity and to hopefully get people to think before they write a stream report that brings attention to another stream that doesn't need it and causees a similar incident there.

BTW, the damage to BS was already done prior to that post.
 
That was a great post 3wt...regardless of any of our personal views on the subject...that was just a great post.

We each enjoy different aspects of the sport, but my ABSOLUTE favorite part is catching that first wild trout out of each new stream. I know some of them are on lists that say they have wild trout in them, but when you actually catch one, and confirm it yourself...there's nothing better IMO. I have a list of streams that I've caught a wild trout in, and I always take a picture of the first one out of each stream. I love watching that list grow and expand to new territory across the state.

Nothing against the guys who fish the same stream every weekend...I understand that too. I worked at a golf course for 7 years and there were guys who played there, the same course, every single day. But they knew every contour and fall line on every green, and knew every tree on the whole course. That's pretty cool. A stream is the same way...you eventually learn every current seam, pocket, and stone in the stream...and that's pretty cool. That's the kind of stuff that fuels the passion in these SBing debates...nothing wrong with that.
 

Swattie87 wrote:
That was a great post 3wt...regardless of any of our personal views on the subject...that was just a great post.

We each enjoy different aspects of the sport, but my ABSOLUTE favorite part is catching that first wild trout out of each new stream. I know some of them are on lists that say they have wild trout in them, but when you actually catch one, and confirm it yourself...there's nothing better IMO. I have a list of streams that I've caught a wild trout in, and I always take a picture of the first one out of each stream. I love watching that list grow and expand to new territory across the state.

Nothing against the guys who fish the same stream every weekend...I understand that too. I worked at a golf course for 7 years and there were guys who played there, the same course, every single day. But they knew every contour and fall line on every green, and knew every tree on the whole course. That's pretty cool. A stream is the same way...you eventually learn every current seam, pocket, and stone in the stream...and that's pretty cool. That's the kind of stuff that fuels the passion in these SBing debates...nothing wrong with that.
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Dear swattie,

You deserve kudos as well for the way that you have posted in this thread.

Personally, I don't care a whit about spot burning because as others farther up the line have mentioned there are far more important issues facing the fish of today.

I'm not saying I'm right or that you, or anyone else who posted, are wrong, I'm just firmly establishing the relative importance of this issue as I rank things.

It's the number 1 highly debated non-issue in the history of angling.

Carry on

Tim Murphy ;-)
 
Fadeaway started a thread me and another got skunked on valley and muchmutt caught 15 (or something like that ) So mushmutt puffs his chest out and writes up a nice report telling everybody how great it was . Well he then found out later as he said in his post approx. a week later that he got crowded while fishing there !! The title of his thread was labeled "chaos on valley " The mods deleted the thread because it made them look like monkeys because they all know the stream reports take away pressure not add it . I say to Mushmutt and others ...WELCOME TO PA FLYFISH !!! PS. you can't have your cake and eat it too !!!!
 
Once again, just be aware, and use discretion. Act like FISHERMEN, for crying out loud. We're supposed to be a tight-lipped bunch of malcontents. We should post misinformation. Like how I pulled three giant wild browns out of the Schuylkill right under the statue on Kelly Drive, using a General Practicioner and a Parmachene Belle during lunch on Wednesday. They were boiling, baby.
 
To those who think that spot burning does attract a lot of fisherman to streams, why do you think that is bad? Is it because you don't want to share your favorite stream with other people? Is it because you think that all those people fishing one stream hurts the trout population? The reason why I ask this is that people don't negatively effect trout streams by just being in or around them. Fisherman hurt trout streams when they do things like keeping too many trout, or leaving trash along the stream bank. I think that the anger coming from some of the people on this board are directed at the wrong people. I think they should direct their anger towards the people that take too many trout out of the streams, not the people who may talk about a stream on this site.
 
Fisherman hurt trout streams when they do things like keeping too many trout, or leaving trash along the stream bank. I think that the anger coming from some of the people on this board are directed at the wrong people. I think they should direct their anger towards the people that take too many trout out of the streams, not the people who may talk about a stream on this site.
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I understand what you're saying, but to me it's a cause & effect thing.

The effect of posting specifics on the internet for everyone to read for years to come is that - in this case - some of the readers will be non-members who will kill all the fish they catch, trash up wherever they go, bait fish illegally in special reg areas, etc, etc.

Before instant information, we had to learn where to fish by trial & error, time spent, days of being skunked, etc. There was honor & respect for information that was difficult & took dedication & years to learn.

Now that the capability to communicate that information instantly and for many years to people we do not know exists, we need to really think about what is shared publically & what is not.
 
I'll confess. I do not want to share my small, fragile stream within 45 minutes of hundreds or thousands of fisherman and I think that anyone who has a good day on such a stream and tells that to the world needs to wise up. I've given guys flies, backed out of spots to give a guy a shot and shared a spot with a guy....face to face. I do not get this whole stream report thing at all. Ok, I'm a grumpy old man.
 
I agree, I take much more pleasure fishing with some one someplace they haven't fished before rather than announcing to the world where I fished.

Tyoung, Some streams fish poorley when they are hammered, fish get all torn up, mandibles etc, and yes it is somewhat selfish but the fishing experience suffers as well as the stream. Not to mention extra crowds, extra traffic, extra litter, and posted signs.
 
I do not get this whole stream report thing at all. Ok, I'm a grumpy old man.
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I don't either, and I guess at 60 I qualify as a GOM as well. But I think details like location specifics would be better shared on a PM basis.

I know there's a fragile but wonderful stream location near me that is known by numerous people in the local TU chapter but the information is shared very sparingly. To read about it on this site would be horrible and I know would result in it being closed off but not after the population was devistated.
 
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