troutslammer
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proof is in the pudding jack , u are indeed a hypocrit ! please everybody post stream reports and save our water but i will not post them myself ...good for you jack !!!
The Spotburning Thread
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Well, that settles it. Couldn't be bothered I guess to actually tie your comments to reality as I suggested?
Let's see if I can make it easier for you:
Stream Reports Authored by Jack M
Let's see if I can make it easier for you:
Stream Reports Authored by Jack M
I declare victory. The horse is has been beaten beyond recognition!
troutslammer
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Jack
LET ME REITERATE WHAT I SAID - #2 stream reports in the last yr and half , you made alot more 5 yrs ago . Did you see the light ? looks like it to me . It is reality !!!
LET ME REITERATE WHAT I SAID - #2 stream reports in the last yr and half , you made alot more 5 yrs ago . Did you see the light ? looks like it to me . It is reality !!!
The_Sasquatch
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Apparently not, Dave.
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I thought I explained above why there has been a decrease in my posting of stream reports in the past couple years and it has absolutely nothing to do with "seeing the light."
Here's one I posted instead in the Stream Locations Forum.
Note these things:
I took Bruno to a location in Erie along with his young newbee nephew. His nephew was thrilled by the experience. Bruno thanked me and I passed on credit to Maurice for having opened my mind years prior about this area of Elk Creek.
Maurice, without complaint then told us where he found success the following day, in an area not the same, but similar, as we had fished.
No one whined, no one complained. Just a handful of anglers sharing their fun, their new knowledge, the joy of "hooking" a young angler, and a little "knowledge for spectators," that is best described not by where we fished, but how we came about fishing there and what the positive effects of introducing anglers to new water can be.
Here's one I posted instead in the Stream Locations Forum.
Note these things:
I took Bruno to a location in Erie along with his young newbee nephew. His nephew was thrilled by the experience. Bruno thanked me and I passed on credit to Maurice for having opened my mind years prior about this area of Elk Creek.
Maurice, without complaint then told us where he found success the following day, in an area not the same, but similar, as we had fished.
No one whined, no one complained. Just a handful of anglers sharing their fun, their new knowledge, the joy of "hooking" a young angler, and a little "knowledge for spectators," that is best described not by where we fished, but how we came about fishing there and what the positive effects of introducing anglers to new water can be.
Well then I will work on my retort.
The_Sasquatch
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We should have a spot burning debate at the jam, moderated by DKile. I can be the big security guy like Steve on the Jerry Springer show. I'll come out and hold Jack back as he's about to throw a chair at BMarx and Greenweenie. Then someone can say, "You don't know me!" and then Dave can close with his "Final Thought".
Good times. Musical guest can be Shakey and the show, er I mean debate, will have a break every 10 minutes or so where Jack can do a commercial for his law firm.
Good times. Musical guest can be Shakey and the show, er I mean debate, will have a break every 10 minutes or so where Jack can do a commercial for his law firm.
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Good one Matt.
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The stream report referenced by Dave in his blog is an excellent example of a useful yet non-glorifying stream report. The report provides useful stream information yet doesn’t bring a sense of easy pickings, and I think that’s one of the big disagreements over stream reports and spot burning and spoon feeding.
As an example, Dave says, “Nymphing worked best in the morning,” and not, “I caught 15 including a 5lb huge bow on nymphs between 9am and 10:30am just downstream of the bridge.” All I know from his report is there were a lot of bugs hatching and Dave caught some trout on nymphs and then maybe a few on dries but I don’t know if this was 6, 12, 20 or 100 trout. To me this is the kind of report that is useful to someone who already was considering a trip to Kettle Creek – it helps them understand what they may expect to find without getting specific. But mention lots of rising and willing fish in a report and post numbers and pictures and name specific locations and that type of report has the strong potential to attract anglers who otherwise would not have gone, especially if the stream is in the more easily accessible areas of the state. Those are the types of reports that I think needs to be eliminated.
The other criteria I think people should use when considering writing a stream report is if you feel a stream is special and therefore you won’t post a report on it because you enjoy it, don’t post a report on a similar stream that you only happen to fish once or twice a year because that stream just may be special to someone else and your post could ruin their experience. That is being a hypocrite, if you won’t post a stream report on your off the radar “home streams,” don’t post on someone else’s off the radar streams just because you don’t fish them that much and then hide behind the excuses of, “It’s on the PFBC Class A listing,” or “It was written up in Meck’s book.” Those are lame excuses.
Lastly, spoon feeding. It amazes me the public forum responses and streams that sometimes get identified when someone lazy comes on and asks where they should fish. If someone came on and said, “I am considering streams X, Y and Z can someone tell me a little about each stream and what to expect,” that’s one thing and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with anyone helping them out. General info could be a direct reply but more detailed info might want to be shared by PM. But when the person making the initial post puts ZERO effort into finding streams themselves, that’s when I have a huge problem helping them. Help yourself first.
As an example, Dave says, “Nymphing worked best in the morning,” and not, “I caught 15 including a 5lb huge bow on nymphs between 9am and 10:30am just downstream of the bridge.” All I know from his report is there were a lot of bugs hatching and Dave caught some trout on nymphs and then maybe a few on dries but I don’t know if this was 6, 12, 20 or 100 trout. To me this is the kind of report that is useful to someone who already was considering a trip to Kettle Creek – it helps them understand what they may expect to find without getting specific. But mention lots of rising and willing fish in a report and post numbers and pictures and name specific locations and that type of report has the strong potential to attract anglers who otherwise would not have gone, especially if the stream is in the more easily accessible areas of the state. Those are the types of reports that I think needs to be eliminated.
The other criteria I think people should use when considering writing a stream report is if you feel a stream is special and therefore you won’t post a report on it because you enjoy it, don’t post a report on a similar stream that you only happen to fish once or twice a year because that stream just may be special to someone else and your post could ruin their experience. That is being a hypocrite, if you won’t post a stream report on your off the radar “home streams,” don’t post on someone else’s off the radar streams just because you don’t fish them that much and then hide behind the excuses of, “It’s on the PFBC Class A listing,” or “It was written up in Meck’s book.” Those are lame excuses.
Lastly, spoon feeding. It amazes me the public forum responses and streams that sometimes get identified when someone lazy comes on and asks where they should fish. If someone came on and said, “I am considering streams X, Y and Z can someone tell me a little about each stream and what to expect,” that’s one thing and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with anyone helping them out. General info could be a direct reply but more detailed info might want to be shared by PM. But when the person making the initial post puts ZERO effort into finding streams themselves, that’s when I have a huge problem helping them. Help yourself first.
troutslammer
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i consider stream locations , stream reports and professional stream reports all in the same . When you add up those posts you come up with just 1,000 post shy of being 10 % of the total posts on the site which is 342,000 . I think the lurkers trafic in these area is a little bigger than some want us to believe but not all of us drink the poison ! Liars can figure but figures NEVER lie !!
