Google Map for all PA Wild Trout Streams!

Thanks for the effort guys, but I'm pretty much referring to the fact that the map no longer allows you to click on streams (blue lines) and the TRIBS of these streams and get their name. It used to be you could get the name of ANY TRIB to ANY STREAM. It doesn't do that now. It just shows SOME stream names. This is the dilemma/question. Someone surely has to know what I'm talking about?
 
afishinado wrote:
I believe this is a new feature on the PFBC site and is a quantum leap forward for those of us pursuing wild trout and using the Natural Reproductive list PDF to find wild trout streams. Attached is a Google map showing all the streams in PA surveyed by the FBC and found to be supporting wild trout (Class A,B,C,&D).

I guess this is a quantum leap forward for some, and a kick in the groin for all those trying to keep their favorite fishin' hole a secret.

http://146.186.163.133/preview/map.ashx?layer=980

If you can’t view this map from the above link, click on the following link and try clicking on the “FTP download” button

http://www.pasda.psu.edu/uci/MetadataDisplay.aspx?entry=PASDA&file=Trout_NaturalReproduction200903.xml&dataset=980
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Check out the site I posted above. It has a tutorial and data files. It also covers a number of NE states and also has a data file from the brook trout restoration effort to overlay wild book trout watersheds.
 
yeah, I noticed that also. I'm guessing that somewhere along the lines some innerwebz linkages got all janky and no longer worky. When I click on a stream I get a little 'error on page' icon in the lower corner of my browser window....

no biggie, just use it in conjunction w/ your DeLorme Gazateer...you know, like in the olden days.
 
tomitrout wrote:
When I click on a stream I get a little 'error on page' icon in the lower corner of my browser window....

no biggie, just use it in conjunction w/ your DeLorme Gazateer...you know, like in the olden days.
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BINGO tomitrout! That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The "error on page" icon comes on, where as before it would give the stream name. When even the small tributaries were shown in the form of a blue line (like the streams) you could get the name of it. I loved it.

And yes, the Gazetteer (not the new ones) is great to have as a tool, it just doesn't name many of the little tribs to the streams. Don't forget Mr. Landis's great book as well!
 
stevehalupka wrote:
ryguyfi wrote:
I agree that the information age "ruins" the fun of you hard core brookie busters out there who use 15 maps, atlas', etc to find a new stream, but as it has been posted before, if people don't know about them, they don't get protected. Ryan
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sorry, not buying it pal... exposure doesn't guarantee protection... elaborations if you so wish.

I am of the "now" generation. I'm not one who texts all day long, or is always in front of technology, but I enjoy the end result, not the process to get there. It is a change in generations and yes at times it impedes on the "tradition" of the sport of fly fishing, which from a personal standpoint is not always a good thing. I think the sport is a good deal about tradition, but there are always new things that come along to make things better. I would hate to be slinging a silk line right now with a fly made of leather. Not that you can't still catch fish that way, but there are new and better things out there. Ryan
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I text all day long... we could exchange numbers maybe 🙂
No one cares about the "tradition of fly fishing... it's created a bad name for our sport imo, and the future will be about conservation, not macho attitudes.


I don't think this map will put a lot of pressure on these streams, and if it does it will be a slight spike and then will tail off. (I'm a perfect example... Ryan
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you have no clue how many guests are viewing this forum right now do you? #OOPS#, I shared a few streams with some trusted friends, only to find them taking their friends, who take their friends, etc.

... butteryfly effect.
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First off, the post you're quoting from was almost a year old. Second, I bet that most of those who thought this map was awesome completely forgot about it by now. Only the hard core guys were salivating over it and are using it to their advantage. If you think that exposure doesn't give some sort of protection, you're wrong. All those trout streams that less then 10 people know about are all in danger from marcellous shale. If that doesn't change your mind, I don't know what will.

I meant tradition in terms of keeping everything secret and not using technology to find new streams like this map shows. We need to remember how the sport got started and how it's grown, but take advantage of new technology, gear, techniques, etc.

I know a better idea of how many guests are looking at this right now than you do. As long as the stream isn't mismanaged by fishermen, who cares how many people go there. You're probably lucky enough to be in a part of the state where you can fish 30 streams in a 30 minute drive... you see that part of the western half of the state where there are NO wild trout streams... that's where I live. I share a few streams with a few friends, and they've shared it with a few friends and as long as I taught them how to protect the stream and they passed that knowledge on, WHO CARES!? I don't want all the streams in the state to myself, I like to share. I ask for info for new places to fish, and I give info away. The streams aren't ours to begin with. I'm just happy to find places to catch some nice wild trout and want to get the info I need as quickly and easily as possible.

My rant is over...
 
didn't touch base w. any of my points...

i do live in western, pa... apparently you haven't looked at that stream map enough if there are only a few streams you have to share

i fish a place that holds wilds browns, a few actually, that the pfbc stocks or tu chapter is destroying through their conservation efforts.

marcellus shale... that is all everyone thinks about anymore... that or didymo. ay yi yi. It's all a mess, no doubt, but I don't think any of you have the answers.

good rant though...
 
stevehalupka wrote:
didn't touch base w. any of my points...

i do live in western, pa... apparently you haven't looked at that stream map enough if there are only a few streams you have to share

i fish a place that holds wilds browns, a few actually, that the pfbc stocks or tu chapter is destroying through their conservation efforts.

marcellus shale... that is all everyone thinks about anymore... that or didymo. ay yi yi. It's all a mess, no doubt, but I don't think any of you have the answers.

good rant though...
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ditto man
 
stevehalupka wrote:
didn't touch base w. any of my points...

i do live in western, pa... apparently you haven't looked at that stream map enough if there are only a few streams you have to share

i fish a place that holds wilds browns, a few actually, that the pfbc stocks or tu chapter is destroying through their conservation efforts.

marcellus shale... that is all everyone thinks about anymore... that or didymo. ay yi yi. It's all a mess, no doubt, but I don't think any of you have the answers.

good rant though...
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I'm in Beaver county... not a single wild stream in all my research in the whole county. 45 min drive to the nearest class A, and about 45 minutes to a few other wild streams, some of which aren't listed that I have fished. The non listed ones I was brought to by another board member to show me around.

Maps like this only help me find access to the streams I've researched on other sites. You can find just about every one of these streams on the fish commish site if you look. I just don't think the map is that big of a deal, just combining a few resources out there into one.
 
Oh boy,

They tagged all 3 of my favorite brookie streams from the same watershed, even the one with the with the big beaver dam and dried up lake completely obscured from the road.

Oh well, I don't think anyones going out of their way to find the streams in that corner of the state, not worried at all. I shall return some day to fish them again.
 
This site seems down! Has anyone recently found overlays for google earth?

I have a bunch from a year or so ago, but I wanted to see if they've gotten any better with time
 
After a quick check, it doesn't inculde all wild trout streams.
 
This site seems down! Has anyone recently found overlays for google earth?

I have a bunch from a year or so ago, but I wanted to see if they've gotten any better with time
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Here ya go: http://maps.psiee.psu.edu/preview/map.ashx?layer=980

 
Gosh I am surrounded by them !
 
Thanks, afishinado! That map seems to be hidden pretty deep somewhere in the PASDA website
 
Broad Run: A wild brown trout stream well-documented by PaDEP going back to the 1990's or late 1980's. There are two in Chester Co. Both are wild brown trout streams; one surveyed by PaDEP and one surveyed by the PFBC. The Broad Run that is a trib to the East Branch has not been surveyed by the PFBC because it is already classified as being Exceptional Value in PaDEP's Chapter 93 and, as I mentioned, PaDEP surveyed it years ago. Even if Broad Run was a Class A stream it would not be classified any higher than EV, nor would it receive any greater protection. Dennis Run was surveyed this past week. The unnamed trib at Modena was surveyed in the 1990's. If Dennis Run is highlighted, but not the unnamed trib at Modena, then there is an error .

Rather than taking the time to survey Broad Run, trib to the East Branch Brandywine and a stream that we already know supports wild trout, we have been surveying other potential wild trout streams near-by that have never been surveyed. We are finding that a high percentage of those streams harbor at least a small population of wild trout.
 
Stream names come up for me.
 
Correction: In #98 above I referred to Broad Run being at trib to the East Branch Brandywine in each paragraph. It is a trib to the West Branch Brandywine Ck. and has an EV designation in DEP's Chapter 93. It also supports a wild brown trout population, identified by PaDER, now PaDEP, years ago.
 
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