Google Map for all PA Wild Trout Streams!

[afishinado]

englishprof wrote:
Sal,

I never heard of Ottown Run nor has anyone I know. Fadeaway and I are going to check it out today. However, judging from the location, I doubt access will be easy. Probably not even possible.

EnglishProf,

There are mistakes and omissions on this map. Ottown Run looks like a small trib to Broad Run. The entire length of Broad Run should be highlighted (it's not highlighted on the map) since it's listed on the NP list as having WT from "headwaters to mouth."

 

[englishprof]

Afish,

If you read my post, I clarified that. The Broad Run on the list is a different stream - a tributary to West Valley Creek. Th Broad Run into whick Ottown flows is not on the list - but should be.

 

[afishinado]

EP,

I went back an reread you post. I get it now. If you know for sure that the Broad Run / B-wine trib has WT, I suggest you give Mike a heads up and give him some details on the section where you observed them.

 

[gulfgreyhound]

afishinado wrote:

gulfgreyhound wrote:
Afish,do you know if that type of map eXsts for other states?
Very interesting map,looks like there are no more secret spots ?

Gulf,

I looked, and Florida has a wild trout map, but it's blank! :-D

This map is created for/by the PFBC. Try the Florida Fish & game site. They may do a similar thing down there.

You got me on that afish. ;-)
I was thinking about Georgia.I'll check. Thanks.By the way hows the grouper fishing?Tarpon on a 10 w.? 😛

 

[CPR]

wildtrout2 wrote:
Folks speak about "spot burning", but in reality, ALL of the streams on this new map system appear on topos (research). The only real difference is that it names all of the streams AND all of their tribs. Plus, it's at your fingertips.

Oh, That makes it OK then.

 

[wildtrout2]

CPR wrote:

wildtrout2 wrote:
Folks speak about "spot burning", but in reality, ALL of the streams on this new map system appear on topos (research). The only real difference is that it names all of the streams AND all of their tribs. Plus, it's at your fingertips.

Oh, That makes it OK then.

Is there something in my post that indicated those were my feelings? Maybe you should read my earlier post on the thread.

 

[salvelinusfontinalis]

My take,

Im all for a the expansion and proper listing of streams of the Natural Reproduction List. With all the threats these stream face they need protection.

However, i don't find this map very useful. In fact i find it more of a tool that isn't as user friendly as my Delorme maps, topo maps and geological maps. This map is in the works and will probably be expanded and become more user friendly. I hate having to zoom in and in and in just to see where im looking at. Without being able to tell gradient and geology this map will likely lead more people to streams that have not been surveyed in years and no longer have wild trout. Then again, not everyone has the knowledge to use the maps that I use and be able to tell which streams are more likely to hold fish.

As much as we hate the idea the promotion of wild trout streams is the only way to get people to care about them. The average angler will find a wild trout stream only worth anything if they can catch a fair amount of fish and keep a few. Im fine with that as long as they fall in love with them as I have and will stick up for those watersheds when a clear and present danger is threatening them.

So yes I find the map not very useful to me. In fact i find it to be a waste of time to add to my arsenal of wild trout searching tools. I will probably never use the map. I do like the idea that the PFBC is trying to expand the list to protect the streams and are also trying to promote them all at once. Lately, the PFBC has been starting to impress me in their attempts to finally help these streams. Now we just need to get them to stop stocking some of them.

I just hope that someone doesn't pull this map up and think that all these streams will fish well. Maybe they can put a disclaimer on it.

Hell, maybe they can have a coupon you can print out for Sheetz coffee on the drive to the stream :roll:

 

[tomgamber]

Afish, could you show me where this is linked on the PAFBC site or where on the map page the PAFBC takes any credit for its creation or ownership? I don;t doubt the source of the data but a similar map was made here on this very site last year and it wasn't perfect either.

What ever happened to the link to that map anyway?

 

[afishinado]

Sal,

I agree with your post, but you ride tricked-out superbike, while this map is more like riding your first minibike..........

 

[salvelinusfontinalis]

Lmfao that superbike would be more impressive if he didnt have training wheels on it ;-)

Your right, i guess thats why i dont really like the map. Im sure someone will though.

 

[PSUFishMenace]

EProf, I thought the same thing when I saw dennis run highlighted. i always thought the UNT to the w. branch on the list referred to a different stream a few miles away. And yes, both Broad Runs should be highlighted. heck so should at least 4 or 5 other streams in chesco but I'm alright with them not being there 🙂

I will make good use of that map this year for some of the longer trips i have planned. Thanks for the link!

 

[Chaz]

Tome it wrecks the fun offinding these streams all by yourself, why do they feel this stuff has to be so easy for everyone to find anyway? There goes the neighborhood.
A quick look at the map revealed some errors, probably the data were old when entered and has since been updated. I have found other mistakes on the maps published by PFBC, but the databaseas indicated by the map is quite large. That may be the reason there are mistakes, plus the streams are dynamic anyway and can change fairly rapidly.

 

[pcray1231]

Fiveweight,

Here ya go:

http://orser7.erri.psu.edu/fishing2005/wild.htm

It's a little tricky to use. "Show Layers" in the upper left allows you to choose what you want to see. Then you have to hit pan, or zoom in, then click the map to see it. Click info, then the stream of interest and the info pops up. If topo is checked, you have to zoom in really far before it shows it, but its the USGS quad maps overlayed. This has been out for several years.

The map posted by Afish is much more user friendly and I like the physical map style, its just not quite as much info...

 

[tomgamber]

Chaz wrote:
why do they feel this stuff has to be so easy for everyone to find anyway?.

That's kind of a dumb question isn't it? Without passing judgment on the map itself, the idea is that they might be able to sell more licenses if they make finding fishable streams easier.

 

[englishprof]

Gamber,

You never cease to amaze me. The question was fine. Your answer is a joke - pure ignorance. Do you actually believe these Fish Commission guys sit around a table and say, "Wow, we can sell thousands of licences by putting out this map". Glad I have my license since there will be hoards in line this week so they can fish these streams. Just sayin'...........

 

[salvelinusfontinalis]

Yes i believe thats exactly what they are thinking:

Read the 2010-2014 Strategic Plan for Management of
Fisheries in Pennsylvania.
http://www.fishandboat.com/pafish/trout/trout_plan/troutplan2010.pdf

It states:

An evaluation of the economic contribution to the Commonwealth resulting from angling activities that occur on wild trout streams was conducted in 2004. It was estimated that these activities result in a total economic contribution of 7.16 million dollars.

Why wouldnt they want more anglers to fish these waters. They donot have to stock them and people spend money to fish them.

Its a win -win for them

 

[englishprof]

Sal,

Love you, but please. These streams have been known for years. They're really not hard to find. And, I think you know, not many venture out to fish them.

 

[tomgamber]

englishprof wrote:
Gamber,

You never cease to amaze me. The question was fine. Your answer is a joke - pure ignorance. Do you actually believe these Fish Commission guys sit around a table and say, "Wow, we can sell thousands of licences by putting out this map". Glad I have my license since there will be hoards in line this week so they can fish these streams. Just sayin'...........

The least you could do is read my posts before you have your little hissy fits.. I said "Without passing judgment on the map itself..." meaning I'm not saying if it was good or bad to put it out there. I am saying that one reason the PAFBC puts maps like that out there is to make it easier to find those streams. Because by doing that they can and will sell more licenses to people who might be more inclined to fish if they don;t have to work as hard. Tthere are lazy fishermen out there as I am sure you are aware.


Do you actually believe these Fish Commission guys sit around a table and say, "Wow, we can sell thousands of licences by putting out this map".

So what am I saying is they DO sit around a table and say "How can we sell more licenses?" One answer is to make it easier to catch fish by showing them more places to do so. If you don't think that's true then its no wonder you are amazed. If the map wasn't meant to send more people to these streams, why would they publicize them?

 

[englishprof]

They have been published for years. As I told Sal, they're easy to find. I have to go to bed and hopefully dream about intelligent life forms. Also, run a company which precludes me from posting here on average of about ten times a day.

 

[salvelinusfontinalis]

You are correct that not many venture out to them. That is very true

Given that the economic value of 65.70 million dollars for stocked streams far dominates the 7.16 million for wild trout streams.

I dunno but i do believe the Commission is struggling to keep this stocking program a float. With stocking less fish or even trying to promote wild trout fisheries.

They need money.

I didnt say this idea was a good one or would work, but i do believe they are hoping wild trout will bring in some much needed revenue.