Pink Buttons!!
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BrookieChaser
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I'm not that happy about them using the color pink for the buttons. I didn't even see the vote, not that one vote really matters in any election. That said, I'll buy the button because they're so much more convenient than a license holder and paper license... if you display your license.
Now for the "must be a part of a club" part to make a difference, I don't really agree. I'm a loner, I've even been called an outlaw at times. Even as a nobody in this game, I personally don't need to be part of a group to feel I made a posititive contribution in the fly fishing world, or wild trout world.
Now for the "must be a part of a club" part to make a difference, I don't really agree. I'm a loner, I've even been called an outlaw at times. Even as a nobody in this game, I personally don't need to be part of a group to feel I made a posititive contribution in the fly fishing world, or wild trout world.
Interesting discussion that strayed a bit form the posted topic. However, you guys and gals need to read my next Straight Talk article in our Jan/Feb Angler and Boater magazine. It is called "The Common Man" and discusses the fact that those of us passionate enough to be debating button colors, fisheries management issues or anything else related to conservation or recreation are the uncommon men. We need to activate the common man since they are the majority. Unfortunately we only hear from the vocal minority. For example there were only 5000 votes cast for the button color and we have 1.1 million anglers and sell 850k licenses. Help me figure out how to make the common men the uncommon men so we can get more public opinion for decisions we make on button colors or anything else. Thanks.
Your Director,
Fish tales
Your Director,
Fish tales
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All - my post was not at all representative of all conservation groups or their members. it WAS representative of a former loner/loose cannon/ lone wolf/ whatever you want to call a non-team player. I did that whole lone gunman game before and I can tell you with 100% certainty that you are not nearly as affective as you are as a part of a team.
do I think TU or other groups are the only way? No. and frankly, why should you even care what I think?
but if even a little bit of my "rant" offended you then obviously you care enough about our resources to have an opinion about them and if you have an opinion about them I can tell you the conservation groups want to hear it.
heck, the dude that posted above me looks like the Commish and even he is telling you he wants to hear from you.
I never said you shouldn't share your opinions online, I just challenged you to do more. We all have projects and missions that are near and dear to us and we can get them done together. If you think a certain group's focus is too narrow then broaden their scope, get involved.
that is all.
BTW - fishtales - if you really are John Arway we got to get out and fish sometime. I watched you during the HB1576 hearings deal with that dude from Armstrong county and I gotta say, you are one cool dude. much respect.
do I think TU or other groups are the only way? No. and frankly, why should you even care what I think?
but if even a little bit of my "rant" offended you then obviously you care enough about our resources to have an opinion about them and if you have an opinion about them I can tell you the conservation groups want to hear it.
heck, the dude that posted above me looks like the Commish and even he is telling you he wants to hear from you.
I never said you shouldn't share your opinions online, I just challenged you to do more. We all have projects and missions that are near and dear to us and we can get them done together. If you think a certain group's focus is too narrow then broaden their scope, get involved.
that is all.
BTW - fishtales - if you really are John Arway we got to get out and fish sometime. I watched you during the HB1576 hearings deal with that dude from Armstrong county and I gotta say, you are one cool dude. much respect.
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WOW! Just WOW! How did PINK frickin buttons escalate to this? in November? What is February going to be like?
jdaddy
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what is a button? a license?
I don't have a button. However I would like for it to be pink.
I don't have a button. However I would like for it to be pink.
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Fishtale-If you are listening to (and pandering to) the "common man" you are interested in selling licenses. If you care about the resource you should listen to a fish scientist.
TR-- I am legit and have been a member of the site since 2010. I don't weigh in much but felt I needed to in this conversation. RWA told us at his retirement dinner that he would hover in the clouds and swoop every now and then to engage. He taught us well and that is my approach with many of the blogs that I follow. Would love to link up someday and check the pulse of the fish somewhere in PA. We have over 86000 miles of streams and rivers and I am trying to sample all of them before I retire. Appreciate the comments.
Fox trapper obviously you don't know me very well since I don't take kindly to pandering. I am a fish biologist and learned a long time ago from a prof in grad school that fisheries science is about fish and people. Fish biology is about fish. We practice fisheries science and balance the needs of the people, including you, with the needs of the fish. In my world of Resource First, I can promise you we won't do anything on the people side to compromise the fish.
The most important message I would like to convey before I sign off this thread and go back up into the clouds in my regular job, is that the vocal minority may have a certain opinion about a subject and advocate it very well. In fact so well that the political voices are swayed to the point of introducing legislation to fix the problem, ie. HB 1565 where the industrial voices did just that but the countervailing opinions of people like those on this board and others brought forward the science to change public and political opinion. That was a case where many common men became uncommon because they joined the conversation to change the tide with this Bill. My point is that we need more uncommon men to speak out about the issues. The other TR summed it up quite well in his Man in the Arena speech at http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trsorbonnespeech.html. We could all do better if we followed that advice. BTW TR's birthday was yesterday. He would have been 117! Wish he were around to fish with. Signing off until the next time. FT
Fox trapper obviously you don't know me very well since I don't take kindly to pandering. I am a fish biologist and learned a long time ago from a prof in grad school that fisheries science is about fish and people. Fish biology is about fish. We practice fisheries science and balance the needs of the people, including you, with the needs of the fish. In my world of Resource First, I can promise you we won't do anything on the people side to compromise the fish.
The most important message I would like to convey before I sign off this thread and go back up into the clouds in my regular job, is that the vocal minority may have a certain opinion about a subject and advocate it very well. In fact so well that the political voices are swayed to the point of introducing legislation to fix the problem, ie. HB 1565 where the industrial voices did just that but the countervailing opinions of people like those on this board and others brought forward the science to change public and political opinion. That was a case where many common men became uncommon because they joined the conversation to change the tide with this Bill. My point is that we need more uncommon men to speak out about the issues. The other TR summed it up quite well in his Man in the Arena speech at http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trsorbonnespeech.html. We could all do better if we followed that advice. BTW TR's birthday was yesterday. He would have been 117! Wish he were around to fish with. Signing off until the next time. FT
On fisheries management issues such as stocking over wild trout populations (including native brookies), those on the opposite side of the issue do the following:
1) They are organized into groups, such as Western Clinton Sportsmen, the Mosquito Creek Sportsmen, and many others. They know that this is more effective than just acting as individuals.
2) They voice their opinions to the PFBC.
3) They voice their opinions to their LEGISLATORS. In many of these decisions, it is the legislators who have called the shots.
The legislators are our elected representatives. The "independent" status of the PFBC has very significant limitations. The legislators in fact have a great deal of power over the PFBC, and they use it.
Those on the wild trout side, i.e. Trout Unlimited, have traditionally voiced their opinions mainly to the PFBC.
But not done much to inform the legislators of our views. This is a big mistake / opportunity for improvement.
1) They are organized into groups, such as Western Clinton Sportsmen, the Mosquito Creek Sportsmen, and many others. They know that this is more effective than just acting as individuals.
2) They voice their opinions to the PFBC.
3) They voice their opinions to their LEGISLATORS. In many of these decisions, it is the legislators who have called the shots.
The legislators are our elected representatives. The "independent" status of the PFBC has very significant limitations. The legislators in fact have a great deal of power over the PFBC, and they use it.
Those on the wild trout side, i.e. Trout Unlimited, have traditionally voiced their opinions mainly to the PFBC.
But not done much to inform the legislators of our views. This is a big mistake / opportunity for improvement.
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Lots of people from Philly voted?
FarmerDave
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Soooo, you have other reasons why you think you are better than anyone? ;-)
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^ +1
completely agree troutbert, OMG did I actually say that!?
Hmmm, on the site since 2010 but doesn't weigh in much.
sound advice from the commish.
completely agree troutbert, OMG did I actually say that!?
Hmmm, on the site since 2010 but doesn't weigh in much.
sound advice from the commish.
TimRobinsin
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beard growing status.
FarmerDave
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Will the color be nipple pink?
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These are excellent points TB. The legislators do call the shots based on opinions/input/b!tching or whatever from their constituents. Why does TU choose to try to influence the PAF&BC when they are under the control of the legislature, esp. the House Fish and Game Committee?
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They do both depending on the situation. Room for improvment on that front? Yes.
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The industrial and building lobbyists have been trying do modify the protections amd buffers for decades. Now they got their way because we got a bunch of guys doing their "own thing" or being "mavericks" or loners or whatever you want to call it. A house devided will not stand and we have to learn to unite on some of these big issues. Esspecially after the last election results.
