TimRobinsin
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Pink Buttons!!
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Oh that's great Tim/Derek. Another guy with a holier than thou attitude because he's an active TU member. I drowned more dead pine trees in the Segloch creek several years ago than I care to remember. Spent several Saturdays volunteering for DTU on stream projects, selling bird seed, youth field day and also donated items for their banquet. Quite frankly, when I was active, DTU was a good ol' boy group who really wasn't all that welcoming to new members. Maybe things are different since you've become a board member but quite honestly your internet rambling turned me off from further involvement and also did little to help your budding guiding business IMO.
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poop - I am a b-tard. Nothing wrong with doing what you can. Not everyone cares or can participate at the same level. Still not sure why my rant offended, tho....I'm a thick headed b-tard.
Brian - completely agree about the old-man thing. The funny thing about these groups is that you have these older dudes running them that have put in a lot of blood, sweat, tears, money and time. They have good working relationships with the older dudes running the PFBC and the older dudes that own local companies that do the actual work. They have good relationships with the local landowners many of who are older farmers. There are many reasons why these are the right dudes for the job.
On the flip-side they are getting tired or burned out and the younger gen needs to start learning the ropes. You and I have spoken about this many times. DFCA (Donegal Fish Conservation Association) are losing our President and Treasurer. We need guys to step up. We have a ton of good things happening on the creek but a lot of good potential goes away with no participation.
one last rant. It was brought up at the last DFCA meeting that all the hard work has been done by the founders of our group back in the 80's and 90's and that all we need to do is simply maintain it. While some of that may be true I say the continued success of of these projects is directly dependent on the sustained participation of new folks.
Ok so what does this have to do with pink buttons. I don't know.
I return you now to your regularly scheduled decent in to cabin fever. Please return your chairs to their full and upright conditions we will be landing in winter shortly.
Brian - completely agree about the old-man thing. The funny thing about these groups is that you have these older dudes running them that have put in a lot of blood, sweat, tears, money and time. They have good working relationships with the older dudes running the PFBC and the older dudes that own local companies that do the actual work. They have good relationships with the local landowners many of who are older farmers. There are many reasons why these are the right dudes for the job.
On the flip-side they are getting tired or burned out and the younger gen needs to start learning the ropes. You and I have spoken about this many times. DFCA (Donegal Fish Conservation Association) are losing our President and Treasurer. We need guys to step up. We have a ton of good things happening on the creek but a lot of good potential goes away with no participation.
one last rant. It was brought up at the last DFCA meeting that all the hard work has been done by the founders of our group back in the 80's and 90's and that all we need to do is simply maintain it. While some of that may be true I say the continued success of of these projects is directly dependent on the sustained participation of new folks.
Ok so what does this have to do with pink buttons. I don't know.
I return you now to your regularly scheduled decent in to cabin fever. Please return your chairs to their full and upright conditions we will be landing in winter shortly.
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Tim, my first thought of impending cabin fever was your post. I say tone down the invective a bit. Not everyone can contribute in the same way or even at all. For me fly fishing is not a life pursuit so crucial to our world as to dedicate much money or time toward. Others derive great pleasure from dedicating volunteer efforts in that direction. Lashing out at people you think don't do enough (in your estimation) is unlikely to attract others to the effort in my opinion. My $0.02.
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"For me fly fishing is not a life pursuit so crucial to our world as to dedicate much money or time toward. Others derive great pleasure from dedicating volunteer efforts in that direction. Lashing out at people you think don't do enough (in your estimation) is unlikely to attract others to the effort in my opinion."
EXCELLENT POST
Every organization I have been in is the same boat. There is a nucleus of folk who hold the group together and do 90% of the work. The others go along for the ride. You dont want to wizz off those 10% beacause out of them eventually will come the new nucleus.
That said. Getting your panties in a wad over the color of a button is a little childish. Personally I am sick of Pink. More men die of prostate cancer then women do of breast cancer. You dont see the push for blue. But. If pink raises the awareness and can cure breast cancer that is a good thing.
Secondly, The PAFBC has its faults as do all govt agencies. Can it be run better. ala Sarah Palin...You Betcha. But its what we have.
Taking votes on non imporatant issues gives the folks the illusion of having a voice and gives PAFBC political cover to tout how sensitive they are to the will of the people.
EXCELLENT POST
Every organization I have been in is the same boat. There is a nucleus of folk who hold the group together and do 90% of the work. The others go along for the ride. You dont want to wizz off those 10% beacause out of them eventually will come the new nucleus.
That said. Getting your panties in a wad over the color of a button is a little childish. Personally I am sick of Pink. More men die of prostate cancer then women do of breast cancer. You dont see the push for blue. But. If pink raises the awareness and can cure breast cancer that is a good thing.
Secondly, The PAFBC has its faults as do all govt agencies. Can it be run better. ala Sarah Palin...You Betcha. But its what we have.
Taking votes on non imporatant issues gives the folks the illusion of having a voice and gives PAFBC political cover to tout how sensitive they are to the will of the people.
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just to be clear. I am not saying because I participate in a conservation group I am better than anyone. I am saying there are an awful lot of people on here who have good thoughts and good intent and we would love to see you and hear from you. I know not everyone can participate the same.
Mc Sneek - If I pissed ya off, my apologies. however there is always a long list of reasons to remain butt-hurt over this or that. It takes a group effort and everyone will not see eye to eye 100% of the time. And who is being holier than thou? That is quite a long list of things you have done that you shared with all of us. thank you by the way, honestly. I'm sure I am just another reason why you won't participate in conservation groups. But don't judge the good of an entire organization based on the late night, incoherent ramblings of one holier than thou member.
And you are right, I should apologize immediately so as not to harm my "budding guiding business"...RFOL. Nope...not gonna do it....wouldn't be prudent.
Board - consider your feathers ruffled, but consider why this ruffled your feathers. Maybe you have more to give, maybe you don't. If it was my tenacious approach to recruiting new members that offended you my apologies. I will adjust my methods and I suggest that we will be handing out pink membership cards for new members if that is what it takes.
I love these threads. so much more interesting than stocked or wild.
BTW Mike Heck will be at the Donegal TU meeting tonight at 7pm. come out and say hi, buy me a beer afterwards, we can all be friends and talk about fish stuff...or not
Mc Sneek - If I pissed ya off, my apologies. however there is always a long list of reasons to remain butt-hurt over this or that. It takes a group effort and everyone will not see eye to eye 100% of the time. And who is being holier than thou? That is quite a long list of things you have done that you shared with all of us. thank you by the way, honestly. I'm sure I am just another reason why you won't participate in conservation groups. But don't judge the good of an entire organization based on the late night, incoherent ramblings of one holier than thou member.
And you are right, I should apologize immediately so as not to harm my "budding guiding business"...RFOL. Nope...not gonna do it....wouldn't be prudent.
Board - consider your feathers ruffled, but consider why this ruffled your feathers. Maybe you have more to give, maybe you don't. If it was my tenacious approach to recruiting new members that offended you my apologies. I will adjust my methods and I suggest that we will be handing out pink membership cards for new members if that is what it takes.
I love these threads. so much more interesting than stocked or wild.
BTW Mike Heck will be at the Donegal TU meeting tonight at 7pm. come out and say hi, buy me a beer afterwards, we can all be friends and talk about fish stuff...or not
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Mc Sneek - I was going to send this in a PM but I think I owe it to you on here.
hey man, I didn't mean to pee in your wheaties, or anyone elses. Just stirring the pot a little. we are dealing with the whole participation thing in one of our groups right now. I thought it would be interesting to stir up the local interest to see what people were thinking. I guess my over the top approach to humor went over the top of most people heads which is to say that I am not very good at trying to be funny.
with that said, it is said that there is much truth in jest which is why I don't apologize for all of my comments. But I do apologize to you if you felt I singled you out because that was not my intent. Again, just being a b-tard and stirring the pot but I guess I did better job at making this thread a James Bond martini than generating any real interest.
please feel free to disregard my comments, I was bored and needed entertainment. I will go back under the bridge I was guarding and watch from the sidelines for the duration of winter.
hey man, I didn't mean to pee in your wheaties, or anyone elses. Just stirring the pot a little. we are dealing with the whole participation thing in one of our groups right now. I thought it would be interesting to stir up the local interest to see what people were thinking. I guess my over the top approach to humor went over the top of most people heads which is to say that I am not very good at trying to be funny.
with that said, it is said that there is much truth in jest which is why I don't apologize for all of my comments. But I do apologize to you if you felt I singled you out because that was not my intent. Again, just being a b-tard and stirring the pot but I guess I did better job at making this thread a James Bond martini than generating any real interest.
please feel free to disregard my comments, I was bored and needed entertainment. I will go back under the bridge I was guarding and watch from the sidelines for the duration of winter.
The_Sasquatch
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Dude that's the thing. I don't think you should see this as failing. You're a father first and foremost. Well above any participation in these groups, your first priority is to provide for your children and to be with them. The time committment is what consistently keeps me from joining up with DTU or the conservation groups. Work, 3 kids, working on a master's degree as well as doing my pastoral internship, I haven't had time to fish much in the last few months, much less involve myself with service projects. Before this, it was 2 kids, working on my undergrad, working 2 jobs. So where's the time gonna come from?
Its important work, and props to Tim and others who are so dedicated to it. I got nothing but love and respect for you guys, but for many of us, it comes down to either spend the evening at a meeting, or spend the evening with my family. Wife and kids will win out (and SHOULD win out) on that every time. So dude, you aren't failing if you're focusing on your family responsibilities first.
When my kids are older, I fully plan on joining up and having my kids be involved. Heck, my internship becomes a full-time paid internship this January and is in Mount Joy, so that already frees up some time and I have already talked to my internship mentor about working with DTU just for some more community involvement.
We should all consider the fact, though, that many guys may not sign up for these things not out of laziness or viewing them as contempt, but simply because they have higher priorities in their lives.
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Meh - you didn't really pee in my Wheaties and I'm more of a Special K protein kind of guy anyhow. Having just crossed the age 50 threshold maybe it was the curmudgeon comment that struck a nerve. Or maybe it was "b-tards." You did encourage people to "come at you."
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Mc Sneek - LOL! - you are right. I did say that...or it may have been the Evan Williams...ala Alby.
50? wow, I saw you three years ago at the steelie jam...never would have guessed. Are you back in Lanc? We should meet up I know nothing about the segloch.
well, It was a healthy dose of winter boredom gone awry.
Sas - thank you for your concern. My favorite part of being a co-leader in our little clan is setting a good example to my children. involvement and participation in my community is one of the examples I like to show them.
I had considered that higher priority position, and deemed it illogical. here is the equation:
prioritizing = stress
fishing > stress
therefore
prioritizing = fishing
the priority is fishing. there, see how much simpler your life is when you prioritize?
50? wow, I saw you three years ago at the steelie jam...never would have guessed. Are you back in Lanc? We should meet up I know nothing about the segloch.
well, It was a healthy dose of winter boredom gone awry.
Sas - thank you for your concern. My favorite part of being a co-leader in our little clan is setting a good example to my children. involvement and participation in my community is one of the examples I like to show them.
I had considered that higher priority position, and deemed it illogical. here is the equation:
prioritizing = stress
fishing > stress
therefore
prioritizing = fishing
the priority is fishing. there, see how much simpler your life is when you prioritize?
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you should use it in your next book Dwight!
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Yeah man, I want my kids to experience the outdoors (already happening), and to be able to teach them the importance of conservation (will happen). Gotta know your kids though. Right now I can't see taking my daughters to a work event, especially my 3 year old! I'd be chasing her around all day instead of getting to actually work with them.
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wait, I could swear that we met up in erie a few years ago. bikerfish was there and we were at the avonia?
Seems we are are both thick headed B-tards. On top of time constraints the biggest problem I have with the TU or other conservation groups is thier very narrow single issue approach to things and their intolerant and rude response to the different opinions and approaches of others.
I teach my kids the importance of family, commitment, community, volunteerism and respect of those with differing opinions. We all volunteer our time to various organizations such as soup kitchens, childrens hospital, and other children's health issues. I will not ever be a part of a group that prefers to beat people down because of a different opinion. That is exactly what the offending post represents and is exactly how many conservation groups act and treat people. Good luck with the handful of people you get help from based on rants like that.
I teach my kids the importance of family, commitment, community, volunteerism and respect of those with differing opinions. We all volunteer our time to various organizations such as soup kitchens, childrens hospital, and other children's health issues. I will not ever be a part of a group that prefers to beat people down because of a different opinion. That is exactly what the offending post represents and is exactly how many conservation groups act and treat people. Good luck with the handful of people you get help from based on rants like that.
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I think Tim is just trying to say- If you aren't in a "club" or "going to meetings" then you shouldn't express an opinion on a public flyfishing forum.
