New Trespassing Law

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PALongbow

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Wanted to pass this along if you haven't already seen this....

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/11/purple-paint-markings-will-soon-mean-no-trespassing-in-pa.html

Ron
 
Good, now I won't have to buys signs written in 3 different languages.
 
Great idea! Now I can just go in and spray paint a few purple trees around the perimeter of the public area I deer hunt. No need for signed posters so who would know who owns the land. Keep out the riff raff!
 
Great idea! Now I can just go in and spray paint a few purple trees around the perimeter of the public area I deer hunt. No need for signed posters so who would know who owns the land. Keep out the riff raff!
 
With as sloppy some people are with paint, I can just imagine how “beautiful” that is going to look. Of course that also goes for properties where there is practically a poster on every other tree.
 
I agree Mike. I hate seeing paint on trees or rocks. Signs can be removed but paint is at least semi permanent. People have no respect for the natural world. This is a lousy idea.
 
It's a great idea especially when the entitled trespassers of our state feels the urge to tear down posted signs. Besides I think a purple line looks better than those bright yellow signs. Now all we need is stiffer trespassing penalties and we will be all set.

Ron
 
longbow- There are plenty of ways to attach signs that stay up. If you just staple crappy paper signs they won't last. Use the heavy plastic signs and then put them up high. Landowners have responsibility to post accurately. They should have no expectation of people staying off if they do not post properly. I have seen that purple paint down south. It looks terrible. And because it is easy to slap purple paint the people paint everywhere. My concern is that people will illegally post areas and then nothing can be done to remove the paint.
 
PALongbow wrote:
Now all we need is stiffer trespassing penalties and we will be all set.

Ron

What do you suggest?
 
We should be vary careful of what we support.

Some of our most popular, and best waters are on private, unposted land. Whether we like it or not, we are in a struggle with a very vocal segment of landowners who post, are anti public access and would love to see all landowners join them in making PA a state where public access for any reason is absolutely forbidden without explicit permission.

If you've ever fished the LJR, Spring, Penns, etc. you've probably crossed or fished on privately owned land without seeking explicit permission, or even knowing who owned the property. Yes all three of these examples have guaranteed public access, but still, some of the most fished areas are not on public land.

Allowing purple paint as a means of posting might be insignificant, but it is not a victory either for most of us.
 
larkmark wrote:
I agree Mike. I hate seeing paint on trees or rocks. Signs can be removed but paint is at least semi permanent. People have no respect for the natural world. This is a lousy idea.
Rocks aren't part of the areas which can be painted:

"The purple stripes are required to be at least 8 inches long and 1 inch wide. They must be placed between three and five feet from the ground on posts or trees that are no more than 100 feet apart."

Besides, if it's YOUR property and the trees are YOURS which are painted, it's really nobody's business if they like the way it looks other than the landowner.

Signs are a pain and arseholes rip them off as if that somehow magically makes it OK to trespass.

As far as it being a non-victory for fishermen...

Does it bother fishermen to know they are trespassing? Private property is just that PRIVATE.

Until such time that people stop littering, scaring farm animals, damaging property and acting like self righteous S-heads, I respect and support anybody who lawfully posts their property regardless whether it effects my fishing access or not.
 
Indifferent on purple paint vs posted signs.

I am strongly against landowners preventing access to public waterways. I bought land on a popular river and tore the posted signs down as soon as the purchase was complete.
 
What about us color blind folk? ;-)
 
moon1284 wrote:
Indifferent on purple paint vs posted signs.

I am strongly against landowners preventing access to public waterways. I bought land on a popular river and tore the posted signs down as soon as the purchase was complete.
I am strongly against people thinking they have a God given right to trespass on to private property to get to public property.

Try it on my land...
 
larkmark wrote:

Landowners have responsibility to post accurately. They should have no expectation of people staying off if they do not post properly.

Uuuuuhhhhh, yeah, they DO.

If it's not yours, you know it belongs to somebody else.

Why would you EVER think it's okay to go wherever you want, when you know it's not yours??

I freely give out hunting permission to my farm *to those that ask*. Those that don't have the basic courtesy to ask are not welcome here.
 
You can do this on a sign. The point is that while the wording would not be legible, the purple would be all you need to know. Normally this is done on fence posts. They've been doing this in other states for decades. There was even a thread on here a couple years ago.
 
I pay the taxes and maintain my property why is it that people think they can trespass. My grandchildren were in there go kart riding in one of my fields and somebody in a tree stand tells them to get off of the property. They came back and told me well I snuck up behind him with a pistol in my hand you should have seen the look on his face when I asked him what he was doing. People buying 4 wheelers but they don't have property to ride on buy your own land.
 
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I wish more people respected others' lands and didn't litter and whatnot and that more people allowed access to their property. We need more public space, not less. This is only my opinion, of course. But if everyone buys land an posts it we've got trouble. It will greatly restrict our access to many outdoor opportunities.
 
jifigz wrote:

I wish more people respected others' lands and didn't litter and whatnot and that more people allowed access to their property.

I totally agree.

jifigz wrote:

We need more public space, not less. But if everyone buys land an posts it we've got trouble.

Nobody is buying public land and turning it private. However, when somebody writes the check, and pays the taxes, they make the rules.

jifigz wrote:

It will greatly restrict our access to many outdoor opportunities.

Sometimes we, as sportsmen, are our own worst enemy. I said above that I almost always grant permission to hunt, with nothing expected in return, but a few select individuals have earned their way onto the "never again" list.
 
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