Low pay and poor morale are driving out these Pa. conservation officers
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CRB
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found it again.
Here’s how much single adults in PA must earn to live comfortably in 2024, analysis says
No state is more expensive than Massachusetts, the study says. Where does Pennsylvania rank?
Not all police are way under payed. In southeast PA officers commonly make $120,000 or more without overtime after 4 or 5 years (departments have different step requirements until you reach full pay). Benefits are great as well. PA troopers don’t make that, but they can retire after 25 years, no matter their age, and get full benefits for life. As always, there are trade-offs.
WCOs and Game wardens should have parity with state troopers.
WCOs and Game wardens should have parity with state troopers.
moodyblues
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A flip phone? You must be a danged dinosaur.
bringthepain
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Agree, i would say the police are over paid at least where I am, which is in SE PA also
bringthepain
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And as far as the benefits (specifically pensions) for state jobs, here in PA, at least those people who are members of PSERS. They have destroyed that system compared to what it was so the benefits side of things is less and less appealing all the time
dudemanspecial
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Destroyed isn't quite the term I would use.
For the sake of accuracy, PSERS is for teachers. The rest of government uses SERS.
They made it a hybrid pension / 401K, and in the case of PSERS they stretched out the requirement for time served a few years. I don'tknow if that applies to SERS or not. It is still better than most retirement plans in that you still have a portion of a guaranteed pension, and the 401k part will probably end up giving you a fatter payout in the end if you start young and work through your entire service period, which I think was 37 years but I could be off there.
The people that it definitely affected for the worse would be people that start late, say after age 30, as they would have to work closer or into their 70's to get the full benefit.
To top that all off, I am pretty sure these changes DID NOT apply to law enforcement as they still have their 25 and out retirement, but feel free to correct me if I am mistaken because things may have changed, I've been out of government work for 5 years now.
Bamboozle
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$120K WITH a lot overtime to handle $#!++y situations, get shot at, spit on, injured and disrespected...
In the meantime we have probably considerably more teachers making the same dough for barely working 9 months about 7 hours a day.
Cops deserve to be paid well, even without overtime.
Most, probably closer to all, departments are working short handed because few people want the job. It’s a perfect time for you to go get one of those over paid jobs. Hell, who wouldn’t want to be over paid which also assumes under worked. Go for it.
dudemanspecial
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Have you ever been a teacher? I was, and I left because you couldn't pay me enough to do that job. Saying they barely work 9 months and 7 hours a day is the most misrepresentive statement I have ever heard, and is extremely disrespectful.
Quite the contrary, on an evolutionary time scale such individuals may be an advanced form of life.
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And this is the reason teacher pay is going up! Teachers making 120,000 K is with advanced degrees and 20+ years of experience teaching in Suburban Philly!
Being able to retire with full benefits at 25 years is a great benefit for police but They deserve it. But teachers work overtime for nothing. I just retired after 31 years so not quite full benefits.
Wow. Teacher pay went way up since my retirement! I never made more than 56K during my 35 years.
Anyhow, I wish the conservation officers well in their efforts to improve their pay. Most of them deserve to be paid more than they are now.
Anyhow, I wish the conservation officers well in their efforts to improve their pay. Most of them deserve to be paid more than they are now.
bringthepain
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When i started college my major was actually administration of justice. Then i realized it didnt line up with my moral code and went a different direction.
bringthepain
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Teachers work OT for nothing? I'm not sure where this goes on but as a guy coming up on 13 years in facilities in an educational setting this certainly isnt true where i work. If anything, i'd say that teachers in general showed what they were really made of and where their priorities truly lie in what has taken place in our society since march 2020. I'll give you a hint, their priority wasn't the kids, their education or what was best for them...
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This shows slightly higher but still no where near 125K
Payroll - Open PA Gov
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Bamboozle
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Nice try as well...
That average teacher's salary equates to $21 an hour which equates to 257 eight hour days.
What teacher WHERE works 257 days a year because is a stipulation in their contract for that many work days???
Heck in my local school district by this time next week they will already have two days off and a three hour early dismissal after one week of school...
And there is NEVER, EVER, EVER a month where school is open 20 -22 days. So call it 19 times a month (and I'm sure it is less than that with holidays & vacations).
Multiply that by the nine months school is in session comes to 171 days working in a year versus the rest of the schlubs out there who work an average of 260 days.
That is more realistically $54K a year, still not $125K but regardless not $43,247 for the same number of days as the rest of us....
My last contract was 190 days. I think that is pretty typical.
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Dear riverwhy,
I think there are a lot of people who think teachers get paid for three months of not working over the summer. Unless things have changed drastically recently that is simply untrue. Teachers used to have the option of having their salary paid over 12 months when my father taught, but it was 25% less per month than what many people consider to be a teacher's salary. Most teachers when he taught chose to do just that.
That means the people who think teachers that make 60K a get paid $ 6667.00 a month for all months when the reality is that they get paid $ 5000.00 a month for all 12 months. Those are just numbers I used to make the math easy, the reality varies from district to district.
My father taught for 40 years, and he opened the building each morning with the custodian and left late every single day. He was in the building at 6:00 AM and left at 5:00 PM and easily worked 2 to 3 hours per day that were unpaid, and that doesn't count time spent at home after dinner grading papers or making lesson plans.
I'm glad you are aware of what the job as a teacher actually entails.
Regards,
Tim Murphy 🙂
