I am mad

[maxima12]

Gentlemen, Ladies:

Mad yes, Or maybe sad. Sad to see what has evolved over a life of an old man. Fishing has changed faster than me. Never would have guessed, royalty on fly patterns, books and video's to keep you home. And to welcome this invasion, you bought it. Why in the world would you pay for a pattern from others. Are you not worthy of your own. Every fly tyer has his or hers own style. Why pay for skinny's pattern.
Why listen to others, when the wind the sky and the tomorrow are grasped in your two hands. Maybe if I did not get skinny's book, I could have gone my own way.

If you are attempting a start in fly fishing, why not go your own way and make something for you. Do you really want to travel the hard beaten path of others. Or start your own.

Think about it. maxima12

 

[salvelinus]

Very uplifting. Merry Christmas.

 

[rrt]

I don't think the books have kept me at home. I think some have helped me figure out things about fly-fishing. Others, my favorites, are the ones that tell fishing stories and help pass cold winter nights by the woodburner.

As for royalties on fly patterns, I'm with you on that one.

Anyhow, as a fellow old guy, I have enjoyed the journey toward where I am now. There is always something to learn with fly-fishing, and I hope to continue to figure out things as long as I can get on the water.

 

[RLeep2]

Fly patterns, regardless of how unique we may think they are, are largely derivative.

There really isn't that much new under the sun and fly patterns are no exception, IMO. To me, this means a couple things: Folks who insist they have invented a "new" fly pattern are at least partially engaging in a conceit. It also means that since it is all fundamentally derivative, fly patterns should not be patentable or copyrightable. Doing so not only means taking credit for something that at best is only partially your idea, it also tends to stifle innovation which is in many ways the beating, vital heart of the art of tying.

Jim Teeny, IIRC, decided to patent his nymph series when they first came out many years ago. I think all he ever got out of it was the satisfaction of knowing that he had engendered a lot of ill will among his fellows.

That's my viewpoint, anyway...

 

[The_Sasquatch]

They didn't have fly fishing books when you were younger? How old are you? 160?

 

[maxima12]

how old am I. Well let me tell you brother. I look like California but feel like Minnesota. I wake p in the morning and hear a Rebel Yell. I caught and cooked a fish for Christopher Columbus. Put it this way, 'old enough to know better".

 

[tomgamber]

I had no idea Hulk Hogan fished.

 

[salvelinusfontinalis]

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[raftman]

Fascinated by that California/Minnesota line, I did some googling and found out it's a Soundgarden lyric. Here's Cornell explaining it - Soundgarden Answers the Question...

 

[HopBack]

Maxima-

So much alliteration... you should try filling up a book instead of bottling up the forum. See what I did there :lol:

 

[Acristickid]

Who is skinny?

 

[jifigz]

raftman wrote:
Fascinated by that California/Minnesota line, I did some googling and found out it's a Soundgarden lyric. Here's Cornell explaining it - Soundgarden Answers the Question...

As soon as I read that I thought of Soundgarden and "Outshined." One of my favorite and most influential bands of my childhood.

On a different note this post is silly. Books don't keep people home. People may buy fly patterns because they get into a pinch and need some flies or maybe because they have no desire in persuing fly tying as a hobby. This post makes you sound and seem not very accepting of others and their decisions. And, in the end, why do you care? And if fly fishing has changed it has done so for the better. Trout fishing here has improved, gear has gotten better and cheaper overall, and the hobby is more open, inviting, easy to get into than ever. Information abounds on the internet and learning to tie or cast is easy to find free instruction. So, yeah, I don't understand this post.

 

[PennypackFlyer]

Remember, if your car smells of dead fish, look behind your seat.

 

[gulfgreyhound]

Don't try the age deal with me as you will lose! Whipper snapper!
It doesn't make sense that Royalties would keep anyone HOME rather than fishing. Never heard of this ,explain ! Maybe I'm just old?
GG

 

[PennypackFlyer]

Anyways, the hard beating path has less poison ivy.

 

[PennKev]

maxima12 wrote:
Gentlemen, Ladies:

Mad yes, Or maybe sad. Sad...

Thought you were going full Dr. Seuss for a second there.

 

[afishinado]

maxima12 wrote:
Gentlemen, Ladies:

Mad yes, Or maybe sad. Sad to see what has evolved over a life of an old man. Fishing has changed faster than me. Never would have guessed, royalty on fly patterns, books and video's to keep you home. And to welcome this invasion, you bought it. Why in the world would you pay for a pattern from others. Are you not worthy of your own. Every fly tyer has his or hers own style. Why pay for skinny's pattern.

Why listen to others, when the wind the sky and the tomorrow are grasped in your two hands. Maybe if I did not get skinny's book, I could have gone my own way.

If you are attempting a start in fly fishing, why not go your own way and make something for you. Do you really want to travel the hard beaten path of others. Or start your own.

Think about it. maxima12

Maxie has it > I'm pickin' up what he's puttin' down. Self-taught people have the best teacher...and the most fun.

There is a lot to be said for this in the day and age of YouTube and Google and tying and casting and fishing lessons. Simply imitating or doing things the same others stifles creativity, true learning and understanding, as well as siphoning away the joy of discovery.

Don't be afraid to do things a different way or the "wrong" way. The worst that can happen is you won't catch as many fish. You may very well find you had a lot more fun figuring things out and discovering things on your own. Gain the satisfaction of discovering the same things as "skinny" did, and have more fun getting to that place without things being handed to you.

I had more fun playing sandlot football or baseball, or basketball at the hoop in the driveway than any of the organized sports I took part in as a kid. The same can be said for all the fishing i have done.

Don't short change yourself by always taking short cuts. Take the long way home.

 

[The_Sasquatch]

I did appreciate the Soundgarden reference though.

 

[ryansheehan]

afishinado wrote:

maxima12 wrote:
Gentlemen, Ladies:

Mad yes, Or maybe sad. Sad to see what has evolved over a life of an old man. Fishing has changed faster than me. Never would have guessed, royalty on fly patterns, books and video's to keep you home. And to welcome this invasion, you bought it. Why in the world would you pay for a pattern from others. Are you not worthy of your own. Every fly tyer has his or hers own style. Why pay for skinny's pattern.

Why listen to others, when the wind the sky and the tomorrow are grasped in your two hands. Maybe if I did not get skinny's book, I could have gone my own way.

If you are attempting a start in fly fishing, why not go your own way and make something for you. Do you really want to travel the hard beaten path of others. Or start your own.

Think about it. maxima12

Maxie has it > I'm pickin' up what he's puttin' down. Self-taught people have the best teacher...and the most fun.

There is a lot to be said for this in the day and age of YouTube and Google and tying and casting and fishing lessons. Simply imitating or doing things the same others stifles creativity, true learning and understanding, as well as siphoning away the joy of discovery.

Don't be afraid to do things a different way or the "wrong" way. The worst that can happen is you won't catch as many fish. You may very well find you had a lot more fun figuring things out and discovering things on your own. Gain the satisfaction of discovering the same things as "skinny" did, and have more fun getting to that place without things being handed to you.

I had more fun playing sandlot football or baseball, or basketball at the hoop in the driveway than any of the organized sports I took part in as a kid. The same can be said for all the fishing i have done.

Don't short change yourself by always taking short cuts. Take the long way home.

Finding experts in a field and learning from them is hardly a short cut. No matter how much one learns from a great teacher there will still be plenty of discovery and joy once you are out on your own. I would argue that getting a grasp of basic fundamentals opens up more time and a better foundation to become more creative in anything you do.There are so many factors that go into success on a single cast that no YouTube channel or book could possibly account for all the variables. Telling someone who has no fishing experience to head out to the water without seeking some basic understanding is a great way to keep people away from our sport. I think most of us on here would describe ourselves as partially self tought but also had something or someone who helped us along the way.

 

[rrt]

max and afish make some nice points. Learning as I have gone has been a nice adventure for me. Maybe that's why I'm not as good as many other fly-fishermen. I have enjoyed it, though.

But, to do without the books? Oh, I think that would be awful. No Traver, no Bergman, no Marinaro, no Middleton, etc. -- oh, how much I would have missed!

To j/f: I have not seen a lowering of overall prices of gear, etc.; wish I had.

This is an interesting thread, if it does not become too acrimonious.