Tigereye
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Enlighten me.
Fly Fishing Elitism (from an outsiders perspective)
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Enlighten me.
tomgamber
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I think the miles of water mist flyfishers wouldn't bother mishing, more than make up for that. In some cases, they're missing out. I'm not interested in the what abouts.
I think frank's idea of building a $10M lodge along Slate Run for fly-fishermen is a great one. To pay for this over time, the PFBC could survey anglers each time they buy trout stamps, identifying as fly-, bait-, or spin-fishermen. A surcharge could be added to the trout stamps of spin-fishermen (not to traditional bait-fishermen) to pay for the lodge, since fly-fishermen -- we elitists! -- who are staying at the lodge and who would be fly-fishing on Slate Run would not be out bothering frank and other spin-fishermen on other streams. Workers at the lodge could be recruited from the ranks of spin-fishermen to wait on us elite fly-fishermen.
What a great idea frank has come up with! He is to be commended for thinking of such a wonderful way to benefit us exclusionary fly-fishermen.
What a great idea frank has come up with! He is to be commended for thinking of such a wonderful way to benefit us exclusionary fly-fishermen.
headhunting22
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Here’s my take on it. Fly anglers obviously work water differently from spin fisherman. Because of that, I think it makes sense to leave a few miles (relatively) to fly fisherman. Why? Because inevitably, on a day where it’s nice to go fishing, a given stream will have both fly and spin/bait anglers on it. Working the same holes minutes after one another. In the end, I think this (VERY limited) regulation helps keeps the pace of the stream, in terms of how it’s fished by you and those up/downstream from you. The goal is to have everyone have a chance at catching some fish!
Also, you’re so defensive about the FFO streams, but haven’t said a word about how many DHALO streams there are. There are far more DHALO streams than FFO streams, but you haven’t a care about it. Why aren’t you defending the bait anglers? Seems like you’re targeting fly anglers as being the bad guy.
Swattie87
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The ones I like to fish have no other anglers on them. And usually do. 😉
headhunting22
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Haha I can appreciate that! I get to those areas when I can, but living in a semi-urban area with nice streams, my home waters see crowds - especially from front platers.
headhunting22
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It’s very much a defendable position. There are probably 100 miles of class A trout water for every mile of FFO water. (That was a generalization, you see what I’m saying). Like I mentioned in another response, fly anglers and spin/bait fisherman work the water differently. Fly anglers work water with more caution/element of surprise. I don’t see why it’s a big deal to give them a few miles of water when there is so much more trout fishing water for spin anglers.
Both spinning rods and fly rods are permitted on DHALO waters.
My issue stands with fly fishing only areas because you can fish the exact same feather and fur covered hook with a spinning rod, but yet are prohibited. One rod typically costs much more than the other, guess which one.
Could you enlighten me as to how technique would be different for a fly angler fishing nymphs under an indicator, versus an angler fishing nymphs with a spinning rod and small bobber? I don’t think there is a difference.
headhunting22
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Well there are certainly differences in techniques. If you’re asking me to explain to you the differences of how you cast a fly rod vs a spinning rod, or how you manage fly line with your hand vs using a spinning reel, i think those are besides the point. Like I mentioned before, it has to do with how the angler works the water with each of the tools - the spinning rod vs the fly rod.
Also, stop acting like guys with spinning rods are pulling up to the creek to drift nymphs. I get your point and all, but guys to not typically fish like that and you know it. Let’s use real examples.
hooker-of-men
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Just a quick clarifying question for the Chairman: If I start making random non sequitur posts about my radical left-wing pinko anarchist woke views, does the whole god awful thread get nuked or only my posts?
headhunting22
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Irregardless of the answer of what happens if you post those, I don’t think anybody wants to hear about them 😂 lol only jokes
So since hardly anyone fishes nymphs under a bobber with a spinner rod, I wouldn’t see why allow them to fish FFO water would cause any harm right?
The example a someone fishing nymphs with a spinning rod is the same example I’ve used for the entire thread. There’s no logical reason why it shouldn’t be permitted on FFO water.
headhunting22
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Well I actually agree with you there. Nymphs are traditionally known as “flies” that anglers use on a fly rod. So fishing those flies regardless of the rod/gear should be considered the same practice. However, when they enact regulations they need to make some generalizations and not try to avoid the loopholes that you are trying to fill. Let’s be real, nobody fishes nymphs under a bobber on a spinning real. And if so, it’s probably about 5 people or less in the entire state.
So what makes it fly fishing then? The state defines fly fishing as using the weight of the line to facilitate the casting of the lure, rather than the weight of the lure.
So should we prohibit euro style nymphing from FFO areas, since the heavy weighted flies are facilitating the casting of a long mono leader?
headhunting22
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That’s what is interesting, like we mentioned before they previously tried to weed that style of fishing out of FFO beats with a leader length limit, but now are now allowing it, so I don’t really know where the state stands on what really is “fly fishing”.
Doesn’t help the commission that the style of fly fishing you bring up really pushes the limits of what “fly fishing” really is.
Either way, I thing using a fly rod and spinning rod will always have obvious differences in technique.
Why would you try to prevent a fly fisherman from fishing a FFO area? Perhaps you should advocate for a dry fly fishing only area, or an Orvis fishing only area.
headhunting22
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Because like you have been eluding to, and as it is a large debate in the fly fishing community, using a mono rig is “not recognized as traditional fly fishing.”
However, the state made their stance clear that euro nymphing with a mono rolling is fly fishing. And I agree with the states stance that using a mono rig *is* a form of fly fishing. A. Using a traditional fly cast to place your flies in the water, B. managaing your line with your hand, C. using a fly rod.
Your point about floating nymphs under a bobber with a spinning rod is obviously not standard practice by most anglers and you know it.
hooker-of-men
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How can using a fly rod and fly reel, and fishing with nymphs, which you yourself said are traditionally known as “flies” not be considered fly fishing?
headhunting22
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just to be clear, that’s not how i see it.
But, I think it is looked at as not the same as fly fishing by some people because of the absence of a traditional fly line.
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