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Fools are born everyday!
 
Putting SRC aside, and I'm only doing some mind exercises here, might fish for fee on private waters open up some more water that is now posted? Could the increased supply help drop prices so that the average guy could afford to fish there? It would make an interesting case study for an economics student.
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It's certainly interesting concepts you are putting forth. I mean there are quite a few conservation organizations that take minimal donations required for access and put the money back into the stream. Look at Lititz Run and the Millport Conservancy. I know that a donation is required to obtain a badge to fish this area but I am not completely sure about the logistics. Is it wrong to take an unimproved stream that is in poor condition and potentially posted and rehab the stream, open it to members who pay small annual fees to fish the stream or require a minimum of man hours of stream restoration in exchange for the privilege of fishing the stream?
 
JackM wrote:
I paid twice to fish the DSR property in Pulaski, so it isn't out of the question. I weigh the cost versus the benefit. I'm not kidding myself that I am doing anything different in kind from the SRC, but it is different, perhaps, in degree.
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Don't keel over but I agree with you on that thought. Yeah, I can't believe it either.
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I would gladly pay to fish(a reasonable amount) as long as the money went back into protecting the stream and watershed and towards continued access.
even if I had the money, I would in no way shape or form pay 70k a year to fish for stockies just so I could feel "exclusive" and special. something wrong with people that have to pay extra to think they are special.
I guess in a way we all pay to fish, we all buy licenses from the state of pa!
if I find the ultimate fishing lodge, I'll let everyone know! maybe if I ever hit the number I'll just build it myself!
 
I really hate to see pay to fish operations anywhere, but there is a world of difference between the SRC & the DSR.

The SRC stocks fish in Class A+ wild trout streams for the pleasure of the membership - DSR...nope.

The SRC feeds fish to keep the them on their property and must feed them because the fish are crammed in well beyond the natural carrying capacity of the stream, all this for the pleasure of the membership - DSR...nope.

SRC blocked public access on a public stream (and was taken to court) - DSR nope.

SRC continues to harass anglers fishing on public water - DSR nope

SRC continues to lease or buy open land to exclude access to all but their paying members - DSR nope.

SRC continues to spin that it is a conservation organization put here on this Earth to save fishing and our wild trout streams for future generations - DSR nope.

Other than that......they are identical.:roll:
 
Would I pay a few bucks to fish a particular stream? That depends on several things.

I have a friend back home who owns a whole bunch of land. this applies more towards hunting, but there are a couple of native streams on their property.

Anyway, a couple of out of town clubs leased some adjacent land, posted it, and have membership fees that cover hunitng and fishing as well as general access. Plus, at least one of those clubs does stock brown trout over a healthy native brook trout population.

Well, this friend decided he would do something similar. He'd charge a fee, but every cent was to go back into the property for improvements (again, hunting related). I thought it was a great idea and would gladly pay it if I actually wanted to hunt or fish on his property (which I never had because I had so many other choices). But I know the guy personally, and would trust him with my life. He wasn't doing it for profit. But even if he was, I didn't see anything wrong with it (because I knew and trusted the guy).

I take some of that back. I have hunted on some of their property, actually with him, but not the bog piece where he was going to do this. I hunted with him quite a bit actually, but mostly on other land.

Anyway, he got a lot of backlash from other locals who had already been hunting his property for free. Everyone refused to pay, so he dropped the idea.

AFAIK, the clubs are still there.
 
I would be willing to pay the less expensive day ticket or weekly ticket fees on some of the Yorkshire or other rough streams just for the experience of fishing a cast of spiders "over there." There is so much good public water on public land "over here" it simply makes no sense.
 
DSR, show up, give them $45 and you are in for the day. SRC requires $60,000 initial membership fee and ongoing $10,000 annual dues. While DSR is private property, it is open to the public who are willing to pay a fee to access it, without membership, ongoing dues, etc. I would hope that DSR contributes to the hatchery operations costs as they are certainly profiting handsomely from efforts of the stocking.
 
I've fished waters controlled by the state,Georgia, for a nominal fee.I paid to park.Nice water and limited access .All catch and release ,barbless hooks. A chance to catch a trophy trout without the major cost of club membership.
 
I refuse to pay to fish in PA. There are plenty of better options here. The DSR provides an experience that is head and shoulders better than the public water experience on the SR. I pay it, and will continue to do so.
 
Pay 2 Play will only hurt our sport and shrink the opportunities available to fish. In the long run shrinking the amount of fisherman fishing and purchasing licence. Look at the PA game commission and the shrinking licence sales. Private property is a deterrent for a number of hunters thus they no longer wish to hunt. It could happen to fishing. Will it, who knows.
 
FWIW, just found that Homewaters now publishes their rates. $60,000 joining fee and $10,000 per year to FISH TWENTY ONE DAYS (seven days include a guide)!!! I thought it was unlimited! That is $476 per day for access, not including the loss of income on the $60,000, which is 90% refundable if you leave.
 
I believe it's only refundable if the club is "full", which will never happen. Perhaps that's changed.
 
my question is do they actually have any full members? Even if I had that kind of money to blow - I do not think I would be dumb enough pay 60k. I think they do more single day trips for the fools from NYC and DC and use the "exclusiveness" of 60k to get attention.
 
Add anotherone to "why i hate rich people"!
 
my question is do they actually have any full members? Even if I had that kind of money to blow - I do not think I would be dumb enough pay 60k. I think they do more single day trips for the fools from NYC and DC and use the "exclusiveness" of 60k to get attention.
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I don't know. The single day is not a bad value. Overnight in one of their cabins, full day access and full day guide for $475. I assume they do not allow back to backs on that deal because two days is like $1,700.
Jay and I were discussing and he pointed out that the pricing is not that crazy versus hiring a guide. $500 per day including a guide is high but not crazy high, except for a few issues. 1) who NEEDS a guide on these waters and 2) those beats would get kind of tiring. I mean $10,000 gets you 21 days. You could probably do Montana and Alaska for a week each for $10k. The next year you could do Belize and Patagonia. Wouldn't be locked into a couple of PA streams and a few miles of CO.
 
Bruno wrote:
my question is do they actually have any full members? Even if I had that kind of money to blow - I do not think I would be dumb enough pay 60k. I think they do more single day trips for the fools from NYC and DC and use the "exclusiveness" of 60k to get attention.
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SRC used to have a WEB page with a list of members. That went away during the LJ access lawsuits. Should have saved a copy.
 
jdaddy wrote:

$500 per day including a guide is high but not crazy high, except for a few issues. 1) who NEEDS a guide on these waters and 2) those beats would get kind of tiring. I mean $10,000 gets you 21 days. You could probably do Montana and Alaska for a week each for $10k. The next year you could do Belize and Patagonia. Wouldn't be locked into a couple of PA streams and a few miles of CO.
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Good points. Those are the smart consumer angles that seem to get missed.

When you buy your PA fishing license and trout stamp, you have joined a club that grants you the right to fish all of the public and private/unposted/fishing permitted streams in PA. That includes 100% of the best streams according to polls and discussions on this site by people who fish extensively and know a little something about trout and trout streams. Check the archives for more on those top rated streams. If the state changed the name from "Fishing License" to "Keystone Trout Association," would that make it better?

So, In PA, the P2P outfits don't have the best water, and what water they do have, they degrade. So, if you pay them for their water, you get a lesser experience, not a better one, and on just one or two streams and not even the whole length of those. I suspect the P2P folks understand they don't have great water and that is why they fought so hard on the Little J.
 
"Add anotherone to "why i hate rich people"!"
gulfgreyhound, I think there is a big difference between people who are rich and stupid people with money. SRC members would be the stupid people with money. any smart rich person would know that is a ripoff and a waste of dollars.
I know plenty of "rich" people that would never join anything like that, and they have the funds to do so, but are smart enough to know better.
500 bucks a day to fish!!?? that's my whole seasons budget! LOL!!
 
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