Etiquette?

TimMurphy wrote:
Dear ohio outdoorsman,

FWIW, and I admit it's not much, I have to agree with everything you have posted on this thread.

You seem to be the kind of person I'd fish with anyday of the week. Your honesty and lack of pretentiousness is refreshing to see among a modern fly fisherman, as those traits seem to be diminishing each and every year.

Regards,
Tim Murphy 🙂

You two should get a room. 😎

Ohio, I don't have a problem with sharing info. i really don't have a problem with sharing some of my favorite spots. I just have a problem with sharing those favorite spots in a forum like this. Who knows who is reading this site.

P.S. I agree with Tim. Now, can I have your Bud Light? 🙂
 
Ohio Outdoorsman:

I remember a guy from Ohio posting on this site not very long ago about a few wild trout streams that he had found in the north east section of the state. Of course, he wisely said that he wouldn't reveal them here. Was that you?
 
Easy there dryflyguy. I think you made an excellent point there, but the locations of those streams should not be discussed in an open forum. Brook trout are protected in Ohio, and at one point they were down to a about 3 hundred fish left in one tiny ditch. And they almost lost those too. They are trying to re-establish them in a few other streams with mixed results. This is very delicate IMHO, and a few curious lurkers could do some real damage to this effort. For example, all but 8 fish (1 female and 7 males) were stolen one year from a small private hatchery.

On the other hand, if a few people didn’t know about those last few natives, they would have been lost, too. So, you both have a good point. Publicity can be good for the stream, but it also can be bad. You have to weigh both sides. The decision should be clear on this one. These fish have some protection now, and more publicity is bad. Like I said earlier, it depends on the stream.

P.S. When the streams were mentioned here awhile back, I chose not to respond with the hopes that the discussion would go away. It did.

Edit: As it turned out, native brood stock were stolen on 2 occasions (from 2 locations). the second one, they got all but 2 fish. That was out of a total of 110 fish.
 
FarmerDave wrote:
P.S. When the streams were mentioned here awhile back, I chose not to respond with the hopes that the discussion would go away. It did.

Possibly the best advice I've read on the subject in awhile!
 
In my younger days I worried quite a bit about people finding "my" spots and fishing them clean. I was a bait fisherman as were 99% of the people I grew up with in NW PA. I fished Native and stocked streams. Surprisingly none of them ever were fished out by greedy fisherman. People would complain about the #'s of trout dropping but I found that was mostly because they weren't very good fisherman. With age I became a fly fisherman and I enjoy it immensely. Living in SE PA now I enjoy it even more because of the info I've obtained from this board, specifically stream location info, conditions and what's working etc. I'd hate to see people stop sharing this info and the site merely becomes a place to BS, although I'm not against that either. Hope you all enjoy an excellent season.
 
Clarmy wrote:
Living in SE PA now I enjoy it even more because of the info I've obtained from this board, specifically stream location info, conditions and what's working etc. I'd hate to see people stop sharing this info and the site merely becomes a place to BS, although I'm not against that either. Hope you all enjoy an excellent season.
I don't think there should be any concern whatsoever of that happening here. I would say there are very few of us who have a problem sharing that kind of information, especially for stocked or well known streams. The only time some may be tight lipped as far as putting information out on the internet is when it comes to small and not well known wild trout streams. In any event, there will never be a shortage of BS on this site. 🙂
 
dryflyguy,

It was me. I stated I would not mention them because it is illegal to fish for brook trout in Ohio.

I have received several queries for NW PA streams. I did end up pming two people with locations of those streams but did not post it.....not because i have an a problem with posting it but because i have been around internet forums long enough to know that a signifigant portion of people on forums would take offense if i did this. In my pms, i explained why I was pming and not posting and encouraged the posters to pm and not post sensitive topics, like asking for location of brook trout streams where they can camp by the river and eat their catch along the stream because queries like that always get everyone all fired up.

I wouldn't have a problem posting thse locations if everyone else did not mind, but since i know a signifigant portion of you DO mind, i don't out of respect for you and quite frankly am tired of getting flamed when I do. I will pm but not post until the board decides its OK to post locations.

I really do appreciate the majority of people on this board with a willingness to share locations.....i think its great and won't congest any one stream if everyone does it.

Bill
 
Bill from Ohio, I try not to let anyone else's concept of decency dissuade me from posting any information I have acquired about fishing or stream locations. I don't think there is any clear majority opinion against doing it, although there seems to be a vocal majority that opposes the free exchange of information.
 
I don’t want to speak for everyone but I don’t think that any body is against sharing stream locations. I think that everyone is against broadcasting specifics to a group of strangers and internet surfers. There are not really any secret streams but I think that part of fishing is seclusions and privacy for many folks. I seek that in my fishing as most others do. I wouldn’t say that on stream X I caught 50 fish in an hour using fly X- turn left at the fallen log walk 100 yards and it’s the first hole you come to. I just don’t get that. Refusing to help beginners is unacceptable but the rest of that goes beyond help and is pointless in this sport.
Bill, I think that you obviously a very courteous person and I commend that. I think that many are willing to help. When you’re “typing” to a group of people you don’t know things appear VERY black and white. I’m sure I appear as a snob who doesn’t talk to any one about my fishing spots etc... This isn’t the case. But I do not like seeing other fisherman in my fishin holes and any one who says they do is lying. Yes it’s there right to be there and all you can do is sigh and walk away but I don’t know anyone who isn’t met with at least a little disappointment when this happens. In sharing too much information you’re asking for it. And when broadcasting on the world wide web your asking for a double dose. Furthermore there’s a lot more to learning to fly fish than reading forum boards, there’s a tremendous amount of information out there to help any one beginners to advanced angler.
 
[sarcasm] I think there are some great fishing video games out there for people who want instant gratification and don't want to work to find fishing spots.[/sarcasm] :-D

Well, it looks like the sarcasm font doesn't work yet. :-?
 
Perhaps a private forum for approved members or members with a certain number of posts?

It might sound like a bit of an exclusivity thing, but it would probably encourage more participation in the board IMO. I'd be willing to bet that over the course of 50 posts or so, you could flush most any trolls out... and probably get a good idea for somebody's ethics.

At least this would address some of CaptMatt's issues with posting info.

::shrug:: i dunno?
 
Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the bait fishing party?

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With tactics, methods, equipment, fly tying info, hatch info, etc., I freely give out info on the board to try to help out when I have some knowledge to add, especially to beginners. Also, I appreciate all the info I receive from others on the board.

With respect to specific streams, especially lesser known waters, I’m careful not reveal too much info to protect them from abuse or overuse. I will give stream info via a PM if I am familiar with the poster, and have evaluated them to be a sportsman, and someone will care for the stream as I do. Just my $.02.
 
lol Jack.

I'll never admit to what I did on opening day. Never.

Ok.. I chucked corn for a few hours in the morning with friends... but I promise, I was working as a spy for the good guys!
 
jayL wrote:
lol Jack.

I'll never admit to what I did on opening day. Never.

Ok.. I chucked corn for a few hours in the morning with friends... but I promise, I was working as a spy for the good guys!


I doan o gize, I tink e mite crak under pressure.
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jayL wrote:
lol Jack.

I'll never admit to what I did on opening day. Never.

Ok.. I chucked corn for a few hours in the morning with friends... but I promise, I was working as a spy for the good guys!

You used corn for bait? Don't sell yourself short, Jay. You are no ordinary baiter, you are a Master...

:-D
 
Ohio Outdoorsman:

Even though we pretty much disagree on this issue, it's been great trading opinions with you. I hope those hidden brookie streams on Ohio take off, and maybe one day you guys won't have to cross the border to go for for wild trout.
I should also point out that what each of us posts here as at our own discretion. I would never rant against you, or anyone else for what you want to say here, even if I disagree with it.
tight lines!

Bill
 
jayL wrote:
Perhaps a private forum for approved members or members with a certain number of posts?

It might sound like a bit of an exclusivity thing, but it would probably encourage more participation in the board IMO. I'd be willing to bet that over the course of 50 posts or so, you could flush most any trolls out... and probably get a good idea for somebody's ethics.

At least this would address some of CaptMatt's issues with posting info.

::shrug:: i dunno?

I don’t know Jay. I just don’t think the internet is the place to hold a beginning anglers hand, so to speak. Information is great and I use the internet also as a source of information but we shouldn’t rely on it to provide every single little bit of information. Let me ask ya'll this. Let’s say you move to a new area and decide to hire a guide or someone you just met offers to take you fishing. Let’s go further and say that you caught a bunch of fish off the beaten path with this person. The following weekend where are you going to fish? Would you "take the spot" or only fish it with the person who initially showed it to you? Or, would you explore the area an find some spots on your own. –Assume that no conversation was held about you returning to the same “spot”.
 
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