Delaware River- " We have a problem Houston!"

Thank goodness the weather pattern for the rest of July and Aug will not feature any prolonged heat waves. The current El Nino setup and high amplitude of the Jet Stream has been making it near impossible for prolonged heat in the North East this summer. Neither is breaking down anytime soon.
 
Its sad to see all of this happen due to a hydroelectric project that costs $72 million dollars only to generate an annual $2 million in revenue. Hydroelectric power is essentially, a thing of the past. I love the whole Delaware river system as much as anyone else, but such is life with a tailwater fishery. If they're managed properly, everything is great.. But in this case, poor management may very well destroy something great.
 
Thank you to all who have provided the updates on this situation.
 
Would the DEP be quickly drawing down the reservoir if the believed that the water was coming from a small groundwater pocket.
If they had any confidence in that pronouncement their actions don't indicate it.

Maybe they have a bridge in Brooklyn they are also trying to sell.
 
Would the DEP be quickly drawing down the reservoir if the believed that the water was coming from a small groundwater pocket.
If they had any confidence in that pronouncement their actions don't indicate it.

They may believe that's where the water is coming from, but without 100% certainty, would you prefer they be safe now or sorry later? I imagine everybody living below the dam would prefer they err on the safe side...
 
If the DEP wanted to be on the safe side they would not have core drilled the rock supporting the sides of dam.

It would have also been nice to let the public know that they were actually moving forward with the project. They only time they shared that information was when they ran into a problem.
 
I'll take it that your outlook on this is similar to mine. From what gather, theyill move forward with the hydro project...no matter what. They are 'all in' on this project. Once complete, we then face the problem of how they will manage the outflows. They sell it as the project will insure steady release. Have you ever looked at the releases from a hydro electric dam? Typically looks like a heart monitor.

If they have to drain the lake completely, no good. If they drain it to the point where the cold water is gone by August 15, also not good. If they do nothing and the valley is wiped off the map, worse yet.

Bottom line is they need to fix the issue. All we can do is hope they get done without loss of life property or the fishery. Assuming the worst, I will make a few trips between now and the middle of August...just in case things end badly.
 
krayfish2 wrote:
Assuming the worst, I will make a few trips between now and the middle of August...just in case things end badly.

Ditto
 
The fact that the DEP did not even invite the DEC to the public meeting speaks volumes.

The fact they did not advise the public they were moving forward hydro project speaks volumes.

The fact that they did not say anything until they were in trouble speaks volumes.

The fact that DEP is draining the reservoir when it is supposedly only a groundwater pocket does not add up.

The suggestion that they may have an alternative cold water release program, but they will need permission first and have not shared any details is curious, but does not tell us anything.

The only good thing is that they are releasing more water from the Pepacton dam into the East Branch than usual and maybe that is their plan.

It does add up to a very bad feeling about the DEP's actions, intentions, and total lack of transparency in general!

Ditto on fishing now because the DEP's title of being the Department of Environmental Protection is a euphemism at best and a cruel joke at worst.
 
There's some more, information about the Dam here...


River Reporter


Although mostly the same as what has been already stated, the end of the article says repair work was scheduled to start this past week.

"The DEP solicited plans for eliminating the turbid flow from four contractors, and on Monday, July 20 chose the plan offered by New Jersey-based Moretrench, which will also execute the plan. First, it will drill up to eight relief wells upstream of the collapsed holes, and install screens and filters inside them. As of press time, it was anticipated that this work would start on Wednesday, July 22. The artesian flow will then be diverted through these wells and be discharged into the West Branch, bypassing the collapsed bore holes that are believed to be the source of the turbidity.

After that, Moretrench will use a technique known as “compaction grouting,” drilling small holes around the circumference of the bore holes and forcing grout through them at high pressure to seal off the bore holes from the surrounding area."

Here's hoping the repairs go as planned and we don't get to see what happens when the lake runs out of cold water.
 
8 relief wells??? are they shooting for 5,000cfs? the September trip is in danger.
 
Thanks for finding and sharing the information Dave.

It sounds more ominous than ever.

That must be one heck of a groundwater pocket.

Not!
 
September trip ruined at 5000 cfs? Nah. We've floated when the Hale gauge was around 7000 cfs. A September trip is always in danger. If it isn't pushing silt from low lake level, it's blown out from a hurricane or it's running at 75 degrees and is ankle deep.

I just hope they can fix this mess before there's any additional damage to the dam / lake or to the fishery.
 
The reasonably priced motels and hotels are all booked up by the contractors working on the Dam. You will need to pay a lot more for your trip if they have availability.
 
It's been parents weekend for summer camps a d now the huge enduro cycle race is this weekend. Next weekend.....more parents visiting the camps. During parents weekends, just about every room within 30 miles is booked. There are a few lower end places that don't fill up though. Campgrounds should also have plenty of room. Bass cabins, WBA and others raise prices and have 2-3 night minimums when it's parents weekend. PM me if you need help finding lodging.

FWIW, Cannonsville is down to 79% capacity. Give it another 10-15 days and the temps will begin to rise at the outflow. In 20-25 days, the water will de much warmer and begin to pull a lot of silt from the bottom of the lake. Who's ready for 72-75 degree chocolate milk? Could get ugly....real ugly if it's not fixed quickly.
 
I was text a copy of the article in today's deposit newspaper. Evidently, there were more meetings regarding the dam. The public has been given inundation maps info, emergency numbers and been asked to monitor NOAA / NY emergency broadcasts. I didn't see anywhere that there's eminent dam failure issue.

Dan Plummer from FUDR put city water officials on the spot by pointing out erosion and closure of fishing access sue to erratic releases. He also brought up bank erosion and silt issues with feeders below the dam. The city admitted to improving conditions above the lake but has done nothing to improve things below the dam. They said it was time to be a good neighbor and get things below the dam ironed out. If this means work on Ocagua Crk and others, that's huge. Now to see if they back up the words with actions.

After second review of the article, they state that the lake will be out of cold water right around August 15th. There were also hints that it may be drained completely. The DEC didn't indicate if they are considering moving forward with the hydro project. So, it doesn't appear that there is a solution to the problem yet. I also take that they main drain it and not fill it again. It's hard to say with vague BS that they are spewing. This sounds very, very bad for the future of the fishery.
 
Kray,

That is really bad news and I believe you meant the DEP not the DEC and they do spew BS on a regular basis. They also tend to provide a tickle of information regarding the really bad stuff followed by even more bad stuff.

If they are considering draining the reservoir completely then the groundwater pocket explanation was pure BS with lots more BS to come.

One can only surmise that their Jim Dandy leaking bore hole fix is not going well and they have determined that the really screwed the pooch when they decided to drill the rock supporting the sides of the dam.

The September fishing trip plans are not looking good.

If the DEP ruined a perfectly good dam then let's hope that somebody holds them accountable and they have some serious splain'n to do.

And more good news. Now the fed is micromanaging the situation and that is the reason the releases on the East branch have been reduced further aggravating an already bad situation, and we all know how accountable the feds are. Not!
 
If anything, this will guarantee strong flows through August.
 
From NY DEP release from 7-29-15:

July 29, 2015

DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION PROVIDES
UPDATE ON REPAIRS AND MONITORING AT CANNONSVILLE DAM


The New York City Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) today provided the following update on the ongoing monitoring and repair efforts related a turbid discharge below Cannonsville Dam.

Late last week, construction crews and geotechnical engineers arrived at the site to begin repairs below the dam. The first step involves drilling a series of relief wells that will provide an
alternate path for the groundwater that’s under pressure, and prevent that water from moving up through the original bore holes. These relief wells will also end the mobilization of fine sediments that are causing turbidity in the West Branch Delaware River. The relief wells will be cased, screened and filtered to ensure only clear water is pumped from them.

As of Wednesday, four of these relief wells were at some stage of production. One relief well was finished and pumping, and two more were expected to be pumping within the next 24 hours. Engineers at the site noted a reduction in the turbid flow from the rock embankment once the first well began pumping – a sign that it had successfully tapped into the pressurized groundwater. The flow from the rock embankment below the dam is monitored around the clock and measured on a set of staff gauges, or large rulers, that were installed in that area. Engineers are prepared to install as many as 8-10 relief wells, but they expect it may take fewer to end the turbid discharge.

Once the relief wells are installed, engineers will then seal shut the original bore holes using a technique known as compaction grouting. This involves injecting high-pressure grout around the circumference of the original bore holes until they are completely sealed off from the underlying ground water. Engineers believe all this work could be done in the next several weeks.

In the meantime, DEP has continued its 24-hour monitoring of the dam, the worksite, and the flow from the rock embankment.

Over the past several days, two rounds of testing have confirmed that sediment reaching the West Branch Delaware River is coming from the immediate area around the original bore holes, and not from the earthen embankment of the dam itself. The tests were performed at an independent lab that specializes in material testing. To perform these tests, water samples were taken from the area of turbid discharge, and the sediment was screened out of the water. That sediment was then compared to samples taken from different depths along the original bore holes. The testing confirmed that sediments reaching the river are identical to very fine silts
located 25-35 feet below the rock embankment, in the immediate area of the original bore holes. This is not the material that comprises the dam.

As noted previously, DEP has also observed a reduction in the flow from the rock embankment area since the pumping of the first relief well began. The size of the silt particles creating the turbidity has not changed. All other metrics and monitoring points remain within
normal and expected ranges.

DEP also continues to monitor the storage of cold water in Cannonsville Reservoir. This cold water is vital to the downstream fishery in the West Branch and main stem of the Delaware River. There is approximately 32 billion gallons of cold water remaining in the reservoir. That cold water would be expended about Aug. 17. Once the relief wells end the turbid discharge below the dam, DEP plans to extend the life of that cold water by taking more of its drinking water from the warmer top layer of the reservoir. This operational change requires a two-hour shutdown of the drinking water intake. DEP expects to make that change sometime in the next several days.

DEP has also continued to provide the public with information as the work progresses. On Tuesday, DEP posted photos of the worksite, including an aerial image. These photos can be
found on the DEP’s watershed Facebook page at www.Facebook.com/NYCWatershed, or on the
Cannonsville Reservoir page by clicking here. Daily updates related to Cannonsville Reservoir storage and releases are also posted on that website.

 

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Maybe a glimmer of hope, but the trophy trout fishery in the reservoir is probably done for and let hope they don't run out of cold water before the weather cools.

Whether the flood control feds are going to make them pump the reservoir dry and keep it dry is a big unknown.

As per usual the information is trickling out. I noticed the leaking bore hole has now become bore holes and the holes are now below the dam not adjacent to it. The picture they shared really does not show us much or show us the bore holes. I see one well drilling rig, the dam release area, a trailer and some tents, and a lot of parked cars/trucks and that is about it.

The DEP is trying to be more transparent and they are showing us an intact dam which is somewhat comforting.
 
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