Brianh
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My hypothesis is that PA is losing non resident fishermen due to the license cost. NY actually lowered the non resident license cost some years ago due to that very reason.
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tomgamber
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Maybe this is a reaction to data they collected that told them that fishermen in PA find streams too crowded.
If I remember correctly, an idaho non resident license was over 100 bucks, while a resident is about 30 bucks. Haven't lived in any other states.
But 50 bucks sounds like a bargain for whole year's fishing. Particularly if youre fishing the eastern 2/3 of it. Spent that today ****el bourbon and two bottles of of wine on sale that I know won't last the weekend.
If I remember correctly, an idaho non resident license was over 100 bucks, while a resident is about 30 bucks. Haven't lived in any other states.
But 50 bucks sounds like a bargain for whole year's fishing. Particularly if youre fishing the eastern 2/3 of it. Spent that today ****el bourbon and two bottles of of wine on sale that I know won't last the weekend.
Brianh
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I agree about the $50. I live in NJ and fish the Catskills quite a bit. I also fish PA, mainly because I have property and family there.
The Rodfather
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Too crowded?
Perhaps if PFBC allocated a higher % of spending on stream access it would help that problem.
I drive by so many streams that are junk streams that could be stocked and used with relative easy access to the public but instead PFBC stocks random streams off the beaten path that see a handful of fishermen a week because it is simply hard to get there.
The folks that are die-hards and fish for wild trout year round will travel to those remote locations to fish, (most of us on PAFF fit this catergory)
But the regular joes that spinner fish as a weekend warrior and go elbow to elbow opening weekend or will only fish the roadside pull offs that get stocked will obviously complain about it being too crowded.
Too crowded?
Perhaps if PFBC allocated a higher % of spending on stream access it would help that problem.
I drive by so many streams that are junk streams that could be stocked and used with relative easy access to the public but instead PFBC stocks random streams off the beaten path that see a handful of fishermen a week because it is simply hard to get there.
The folks that are die-hards and fish for wild trout year round will travel to those remote locations to fish, (most of us on PAFF fit this catergory)
But the regular joes that spinner fish as a weekend warrior and go elbow to elbow opening weekend or will only fish the roadside pull offs that get stocked will obviously complain about it being too crowded.
Spoken like a student of Bill Kodrich. Do you recall the comment about bar graphs, etc that lack error bars or confidence intervals depictions? “A picture is worth a thousand words…all lies.”
sixfootfenwick
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Interesting article and commentary from a sorely missed board member:
www.outdoornews.com
If there is any truth to the state tapping into to Capital Funds for hatchery infrastructure repairs, I take issue with this as schools keep raising property taxes to cover costs.
Commentary: Pennsylvania Fish & Boat Commission should cut back on trout stocking - Outdoor News
The agency is foolishly putting all its eggs in the hatchery basket. Instead, kids need more stream access near home and youth-fishing programs for already abundant wild fish.
www.outdoornews.com
If there is any truth to the state tapping into to Capital Funds for hatchery infrastructure repairs, I take issue with this as schools keep raising property taxes to cover costs.
dudemanspecial
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If I was a spiteful person I would send the editor of outdoor news the screenshot I have of him posting for the mods here to perform a sexual act on him.Interesting article and commentary from a sorely missed board member:
Commentary: Pennsylvania Fish & Boat Commission should cut back on trout stocking - Outdoor News
The agency is foolishly putting all its eggs in the hatchery basket. Instead, kids need more stream access near home and youth-fishing programs for already abundant wild fish.
If there is any truth to the state tapping into to Capital Funds for hatchery infrastructure repairs, I take issue with this as schools keep raising property taxes to cover costs.
But I am not, so I won't.
goose54cdd
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I agree. We're quick to criticize the Fish and game Commission, but they need money to manage our great resources. Their costs go up just like ours.
I don't remember the specific post that you are referencing here.
I like a lot of what you post, but I don't agree with this sentiment.
The Rodfather
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And interesting article for sure. Some good points. Stream access is a huge issue.Interesting article and commentary from a sorely missed board member:
Commentary: Pennsylvania Fish & Boat Commission should cut back on trout stocking - Outdoor News
The agency is foolishly putting all its eggs in the hatchery basket. Instead, kids need more stream access near home and youth-fishing programs for already abundant wild fish.
If there is any truth to the state tapping into to Capital Funds for hatchery infrastructure repairs, I take issue with this as schools keep raising property taxes to cover costs.
hemlock
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But are stocked trout really a "resource"? And is using funds, other than funds generated by the trout stamp, a responsible use of money?
I see you wrote "the fish and game commission", I'm sure you know in PA they are two different agencies. I pray they stay that way.
dudemanspecial
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sixfootfenwick
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It was sarcasm, which I don't covey the best online sometimes.
But, not focusing on the messenger but rather what is being said, there is an issue here IMO.
Sure there is, but it will work itself out.
dudemanspecial
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Absolutely, and that isn't new news. I would question everything the author uses as a talking point though. He has shown no issue spinning information to suit his agenda in the past.
sixfootfenwick
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I'm really not cool with 100 million in Capital Funds going to fish hatcheries with more on the way. Neither am I cool with tapping into more monies meant to fund access and infrastructure around lakes for fishing.
This is insanity.
A school district in my district just had a 15 million dollar sport complex a couple years ago and they raised our taxes for it. Now they are for seeing a new school building being needed. And are raising taxes again. This district already has some of the highest property taxes in the state.
Is 100 million to hatcheries a wise use of Capital Funds?
This is insanity.
A school district in my district just had a 15 million dollar sport complex a couple years ago and they raised our taxes for it. Now they are for seeing a new school building being needed. And are raising taxes again. This district already has some of the highest property taxes in the state.
Is 100 million to hatcheries a wise use of Capital Funds?
hemlock
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I struggle with viewing any stocked fish as a resource or at the very least one worthy of funding with money not directly generated by said resource.
hemlock
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So, the best approach is to sit back and let politicians work it out? Call me a skeptic but I doubt they will get it right.
sixfootfenwick
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I think that is what some are trying to say in this thread.
We as a country have become spoiled and don't even realize it, not wishing to give up one luxury for the benefit of others.
I'm sorry guys, I guess I'm a bit sensitive to this issue right now. My church and I just spent time at the rescue mission last night. Had a talk with a few homeless elderly there that can't afford their homes anymore. This is real time happening to people with the cost of everything.
So seeing this waste of money really got me thinking this morning and a bit angry.
dudemanspecial
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It takes resources to make money. The way it's currently structured, the stocked trout is a resource for PFBC to sell licenses to create revenue. That is a fact.
Again, how it's managed is certainly debatable.
Again, how it's managed is certainly debatable.
