wildtrout2
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The first brown trout introduced/stocked in the US, were brought from Germany back in the 1880's. But, they were still wild browns, despite being stocked here.
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The Legend of the World Record Brook Trout
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jeffroey
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Agree w @Jmac and others insofar as I don't think catching a stocked or holdover fish is any less of an accomplishment.
I wouldn't expect a 30+" brown . . . wild, stocked, holdover, whatever . . . to roll over and become dead weight once it's hooked. There's still skill involved and although I'd love that opportunity, I don't think I'd do great the first time I encountered that on an open stream.
BTW, I posted this in the Locations sub forum because I was just as intrigued by the location of the catch and whats happened to the river since then as I was with the (ahem) potential controversy. Loved hearing about some of the historic big Brookie waters of the past.
I wouldn't expect a 30+" brown . . . wild, stocked, holdover, whatever . . . to roll over and become dead weight once it's hooked. There's still skill involved and although I'd love that opportunity, I don't think I'd do great the first time I encountered that on an open stream.
BTW, I posted this in the Locations sub forum because I was just as intrigued by the location of the catch and whats happened to the river since then as I was with the (ahem) potential controversy. Loved hearing about some of the historic big Brookie waters of the past.
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Most of the brown trout that people say are "holdovers that colored up real nice" are in fact wild brown trout that have never been a hatchery.
wildtrout2
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Ironic, how a brook trout thread morphed into a brown trout thread. Usually, it's the other way around.
wildtrout2
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I agree, the accomplishment itself isn't deminished, just that the odds are very different between wild versus stocked.
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Wait a minute, I for sure thought it was Jerry “Kermit” O’houlihan that caught the record trout. So much for that legend. 🤷♂️
Too soon?
I would love to run into a brownie over 25". I can't even imagine 30, let alone 34. And unlike my wife, it wouldn't make a difference to me if it was lab created or not.
Too soon?
I would love to run into a brownie over 25". I can't even imagine 30, let alone 34. And unlike my wife, it wouldn't make a difference to me if it was lab created or not.
Thats what I meant that they were stocked originally making them all stockers. Agree all browns came from a fish that was of naturally deposited eggs at one point. I just think today if we are talking about browns that if its one of Donny Beaver’s purina cat chow fish or a wild legacy of hatchery stock I think they are more similar than different.
Would one not need a genetic test to determine this? I know stocked fish can look real clean after a few months outside the raceway.
Shades of this gem from the days of yore:https://www.paflyfish.com/threads/north-central-pa-brown-trout.14091/
Thats a very relevant discussion. My church group stocks brownie fingerlings in a few mountain streams and then we find what I am assuming is them years later fishing Rapala lures and flies and they are much bigger. Its really common place for rural people to go to the trout farm and get a couple hundred fish and throw them in a creek for a child’s birthday party, play date, or a community gathering. I know I did it for my 40th on a nice little state forest brook where my buds and I had no competition for the fish from other anglers.
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And this is why we need stocking regulations
I know I saw a big reduction in catching big trout on Spring Creek after the hatcheries added their filters and treatment systems. The big rainbows that were occasionally caught there were obviously hatchery escapees.
I respectfully disagree. Any regulations on what I can put into a creek seems like an over reach on the part of the government.
wildtrout2
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I believe the opposite is true. IMO, not enough oversight in what gets stocked in many streams in Pa.
wildtrout2
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This speaks voulmes!
caddisflyer
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Did you say you were 40?
hooker-of-men
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I had never considered that the shopping carts in the Brodhead might be ideologically motivated acts of protest.
nd1001
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Jeff, thanks for posting this interesting article. If you haven’t already read it, you might enjoy Nick Karas’ book “Brook Trout.” He talks in depth about Cook’s trout and Webster’s trout. I really liked learning about the history of the species and different fisheries.
rustbeltwilds
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Shopping carts are big brown magnets.... look for them 😉
I am a member of the slate run brown trout club and there have been several individuals recently grandstanding on social media that the fish we stock are “invasive” and saying we are bad people because we put these beautiful german brown trout into the mouth of Slate Run, Cedar Run, and into Big Pine for people to catch. They say everyone should boycott Wolfes General Store/fly shop but It just seems like harassment for no reason, stocked fish don’t hurt anything.
