Stocking segment on ABC 27

[The Rodfather]

Did anybody else see that segment tonight on the news?

Found it interesting.

 

[troutbert]

If it's available on the internet, let us know.

Do you have a summary?

 

[tomgamber]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abc27.com/local-news/pennsylvania-trout-stocking-critic-program-is-like-using-taxpayer-dollars-to-start-making-lanternflies-and-spreading-them/amp/

 

[Tigereye]

Oh boy. I get PTSD reading that. Like PAFF de ja vu

 

[greywolf]

The comments are from a former frequent poster here " fish sticks"

 

[Tigereye]

I didn't want to be that brash

 

[jifigz]

Hey, the guy's got conviction. I'll give him that. He ain't no quitter..

 

[dudemanspecial]

Hey, the guy's got conviction. I'll give him that. He ain't no quitter..

And when he presents himself the way he does in the interview it is way easier to get behind his message. Online he takes a completely different approach and it makes him come across as the heel in the situation. I have tried telling him that and I don't know if he just doesn't care or if he doesn't get it.

 

[jifigz]

And when he presents himself the way he does in the interview it is way easier to get behind his message. Online he takes a completely different approach and it makes him come across as the heel in the situation. I have tried telling him that and I don't know if he just doesn't care or if he doesn't get it.

No doubt.. we've all tried to reason with him.

 

[sixfootfenwick]

Well he isn't wrong regardless of his popularity here or elsewhere.

 

[jifigz]

The comment below is me playing the devil's advocate.

What if only brook trout were stocked and they weren't being stocked over wild brook trout? Then we wouldn't be spreading invasives, right?

 

[troutbert]

“Commission staff have documented wild brook trout in nearly 9,800 stream miles in the last 40 years, and only about 10% of these stream miles are stocked with hatchery trout,” the statement read.

So, hatchery trout are being stocked over brook trout in 980 miles of stream? That's a lot.

And is the 10% number just for PFBC stockings? Are coop hatchery stockings additional to that?

Also, a large percentage of the 9,800 miles are on very small first order streams.

 

[krayfish2]

You guys remember when you were like 20 and you dated that one girl that your family really didn't like? Some family members might have called her crazy eyes.... That's her brother

 

[nymphingmaniac]

It seems the headline claim of 100million in the red is dubious and based on them receiving that money during the runaway COVID spending (goes through 2028). If his calculus is that their budgets are zero after receiving that "found money" justifies the claim, it is flawed because the agency just took on projects they did not have the money to do. I hope they are not making the mistake of using COVID money to backfill a "normal" operating budget . Unfortunately, many states, municipalities and school districts did this and they are facing a time bomb.

 

[Mike]

Also, a large percentage of the 9,800 miles are on very small first order streams

I have some serious doubts whether many, or maybe any, PFBC stocked trout sections are first order streams, except possibly a few limestoners that meet minimum width requirements as soon as they surface.Note that I said doubts, meaning that I could be wrong. Having done may of the surveys from 1976-1981 of stocked trout streams that resulted in their sectioning, section biomass classifications, and reductions or extensions in stocked trout segment lengths, I think it would be unusual that a 4.0 m average width section would be a first order stream, meaning a stream with no tribs upstream from the upper stocking limit. Streams and sometimes segments thereof with less than a 4 m avg widths were removed from the PFBC stocking program. Frequently, the narrower upper stocking limits were at least moved downstream to stretches that equaled or were close to the 4m width. Cooperative nursery stockings in my experience over the years didn’t have minimum width restrictions regarding where they could stock.

 

[troutbert]

I have some serious doubts whether many, or maybe any, PFBC stocked trout sections are first order streams.

I didn't say that the PFBC is stocking first order streams.

 

[jifigz]

Wouldn't East Licking at Wynn Gap Rd crossing be a 1st order stream? It's stocked by the PFBC.

 

[Mike]

I didn't say that the PFBC is stocking first order streams.

Pardon the mistake, but I’m glad you’ve clarified that since I was contextually thrown off by the commentary in #12, particularly when first order streams were mentioned in the thread and within #12, both of which which primarily dealt with stocking.

 

[KeviR]

If I can paraphrase, the 9800 number is disingenuous because some, maybe most of that mileage is first order stream mileage. Therefore the 10% claim is somewhat bogus. Of the "stockable" stream miles, it's a much larger percentage. Did I get that right, TB?

 

[troutbert]

If I can paraphrase, the 9800 number is disingenuous because some, maybe most of that mileage is first order stream mileage. Therefore the 10% claim is somewhat bogus. Of the "stockable" stream miles, it's a much larger percentage. Did I get that right, TB?

Yes. Thank you.