Getting dialed in with blood knots

[osprey]

PennKev.........is the Ligature knot the name of the knot i was trying to describe in my post? Never knew the name of it if it is.........see , i'm 57 years old and learn somethingg new on here almost everyday.

 

[afishinado]

sandfly wrote:
boychick wrote:

You can substitute a surgens knot for the blood knot, but the blood knot is a better knot for a leader becuase it lays out straight. A surgens knot does not

Wrong, a Double surgeons knot will lay off to side but the triple surgeons knot will lay straight everytime. The downfall some say is the bulk when tied, I have never noticed and after 30 years of useing the blood knot I switched to the triple for all my freshwater and most saltwater. It's also 100% breaking strength is also a great point meaning the line will break before the triple surgeons. I have been fly fishing for over 45 years now, scarey.....

+1 Sandy....same amount of years, too... :-o :-o :-o

 

[PennKev]

osprey wrote:
PennKev.........is the Ligature knot the name of the knot i was trying to describe in my post? Never knew the name of it if it is.........see , i'm 57 years old and learn somethingg new on here almost everyday.

I was thinking that when I read your post. It is much easier to demonstrate and actually tie, than it is to describe.

Interestingly, I've also seen the ligature knot referred to as...

... A SURGEON'S KNOT!

But it is not the same knot we would identify as a surgeon's knot.

Groan.

 

[PennKev]

deleted double post.

 

[barbless]

Ligature knot looks interesting.

The double or triple surgeon's knot doesn't join perfectly straight, but it looks to me like it's close enough when using fine tippet, 4X and smaller.

 

[scattershot]

I picked up one of those Dennison leader-making vises off eBay, and I have to say it's a slick little tool. Makes a very clean blood knot very easily. As I said, my thought was to use it for a while to get the hang, then eventually wean myself off it.

 

[mike_richardson]

I find that using the double nail method to only work on large diameter to large diameter mono for the leaders. I am still working on the blood knot as well.

 

[L_soult]

I also struggle with blood knots. Last time that I was on the water and forgot my glasses I tied whatever mixed up knot that would keep my tippets together. Worked ok in a pinch.

 

[scattershot]

If I had to do a quick tie on the water, I find a double uni to be easy and fast to do. I don't see it mentioned in the fly community, though some of my conventional fishing friends use it regularly. I haven't tested it though I imagine it may not be as strong as a blood knot.

 

[wbranch]

I asked a general surgeon friend of mine if he uses the Surgeons Knot in his operations. He laughed at me.....

 

[marcq]

blood knots are what I spend most of my time doing on the stream. or at least that's what it feels like. you get better at them and they are always gonna be a pain. that being said I can usually do one in about a minute.
I like surgeons knots but not for fly fishing. reason being is they are not inline and they are smaller knots. I use a blood as a line to line to have a strong line connection and second when nymphing I like a bigger knot so my split shots stay in place. I still got good eyes and my hands are fine I think ill be ok for awhile. my dad struggles with it but that's why he goes whit me.
wbranch I think they use a few over hand knots. that what it seems like when I watched the guy stich up my gums after getting my wisdom teeth out.

 

[lv2nymph]

I remember starting to make my own leaders, the blood knot was difficult to tie and in diminishing light with cold fingers forget it. I had trouble in the house at the kitchen table! A surgeons knot also called a water knot is what I use and have used for 25 years. I know everyone has their favorite that's what is great about this so many different ways to get to the same point. ( fish in the net )

 

[mario66pens]

I can tie a blood knot, but I find the surgeons knot to be a good bit quicker. I remember reading somewhere that the blood knot is only 5% more effective than the double surgeons knot, but it takes probably 95% more time to tie. I'll stick with the surgeons.

 

[marcq]

An Alberto knot might work for you. I just used it on some heavier line that were the same pound test. I use it to tie small braid to a larger diameter floro. Not sure about a lite tippet. But I can join power pro with a diameter equiventlent to 2 pound mono. To 6 pound mono backing. The knot is seamless to. Much easier then a blood. I think it's stronger too.