Fly line to leader connection/knot

pretty sure the first cheapy flyrod outfit i had a million years ago had a metal barbed eyelet inserted into the end of the line. i actually think i caught fish with it and it held.
I inherited a fly rod from a distant family member when I first started out.
And the fly line (level) came with one of those on it.
Thinking I may have actually used it a bit
And am wondering, if I did, how I attached the leader to it
 
I'm a hack. I cut welded loop off and use braided loops to the front. I'll cut the braided sleeve short and then attach it with five nail knots of fluorocarbon 2X. I'll tie an improved clinch from backing to the rear loop. Haven't had a failure in 25-30 years.
 
I'm pretty sure your post is a hate crime

Oh, it’s 100% a compliment. You’re insanely good at what you do and about the only person on this site (which has a lot of good FFers) I wouldn’t question saying something like that.

And making fun of myself for the comparatively minuscule fish I catch. (Our usual banter.)
 
Even using the nail knot, I try to avoid this. I keep my leader length no longer than my rod length for that reason. As delicate as the tip top is on my 7' 3wt, I cringe when my knot goes through it.
I try to avoid it too, but it inevitably happens especially since I usually just use premade tapered leaders and don’t feel like shortening them since I use my small stream rod a lot on a local spring creek where longer leaders are a must. I’m just that lazy that I don’t feel like switching leaders before leaving to go fishing
 
Oh, it’s 100% a compliment. You’re insanely good at what you do and about the only person on this site (which has a lot of good FFers) I wouldn’t question saying something like that.

And making fun of myself for the comparatively minuscule fish I catch. (Our usual banter.)
The connection was strong enough to break 2 rods while ripping on a snag 😂. The needle connector is beautiful but if done properly, my braided loops go right through the guides like silk. Maybe I'm lazy or maybe I don't like change. Since it's working, I'll ride that horse to the finish line.
 
The connection was strong enough to break 2 rods while ripping on a snag 😂. The needle connector is beautiful but if done properly, my braided loops go right through the guides like silk. Maybe I'm lazy or maybe I don't like change. Since it's working, I'll ride that horse to the finish line.

Yep. Do what works. Everyone prioritizes different parts of their set up in different ways. All ok. Also ok to try something new and not like it. Or really like it. Or meh.

And yes, I’ve broken off 9” Brookies before. (If I thought they were 9”, but couldn’t really tell, they were probably 6”.) Not my fly line to leader, but still, you should be able to land that fish on a Summer Orbweaver’s thread.
 
The connection was strong enough to break 2 rods while ripping on a snag 😂. The needle connector is beautiful but if done properly, my braided loops go right through the guides like silk. Maybe I'm lazy or maybe I don't like change. Since it's working, I'll ride that horse to the finish line.
Braided loops were what everyone seemed to use when I started out FFing.
And I never had any problems with them
I also think they they go through the rod tip more smoothly than a nail knot
 
I normally cut off the welded loop and snell knot the butt section followed by blood knots down the leader.
At one time I used the nail knot but Flip Pallot sold me on the snell knot. It's much easier to tie.

Flip Pallot Snell Knot
 
Braided loops were what everyone seemed to use when I started out FFing.
And I never had any problems with them
I also think they they go through the rod tip more smoothly than a nail knot

A couple of things I've discovered about braided loops:

For a LOT of reasons, work your fly line ALL the way up the loop, INTO the end of the section of the braid that forms the end of the loop to the junction. This is more easily accomplished by cutting the end of your fly line on an angle and pushing the loop toward the line, which loosen the weave.

The reason for doing this is 99% of your loop will float, there will be less hinging, it makes it a lot harder for the just the loop part to fail or for the entire line loop to pull off by accident.

I only had one braided loop in my life ever fail and that failure was when the loop part pulled out at the junction of the loop. For that reason, I ALWAYS put a small drop of UV Knot Sense at that junction, work it into the braid and cure it with a UV light. FWIW - I also do this on the loops of my furled leaders.

IF you clean your fly lines frequently by pulling them through a sponge or rag, you have to be careful that you don't pull off the loop. This can happen working towards the loop because it acts like a "finger trap" and the weave loosens if you push in that direction with the rag or sponge.

A couple of things that can help:

Pushing your fly line ALL the way up the braid
Not squeezing as hard as you pull the loop through the rag/sponge
Hooking the loop on something and wiping from the hooked end toward the line
Washing the loop gently between soapy fingers.

IF you like Cortland loops with the heat shrink, you can damage your fly line if you are not careful. Instead use a small ceramic flat iron for hair (there are cheaper options). They work great and won't melt the coating on your line.

However, another issue with heat shrink is it is more likely to slide on the fly line towards the loop when cleaning, loosening the weave of the braided loop making it more likely to pull off completely. Because of that and the need to use heat, I switched to the Rio loops that use a small diameter piece of "stretchy" tubing. I find that the Rio loops are less likely to slip. The loops that Orvis sells also use stretchy tubing.

However when installing, slide the small piece of stretchy tubing down AFTER pushing your fly line into the loop and do it S-L-O-W-L-Y!! IF you slide them too far and past the open end of the loop, they are about impossible to slide back up the line and over the braid.

You can forsake the heat shrink or stretchy tubing entirely and just use some UV Knot Sense but you will have to trim the loose end of the braid and get them UNDER the Knot Sense, which is harder than you think. Another option is to a thread wrap over the end of the loop and Knot Sense coat that.
 
Just say no to braided loops. This thread is full of better options, except for maybe the metal spike things.
 
A couple of things I've discovered about braided loops:

For a LOT of reasons, work your fly line ALL the way up the loop, INTO the end of the section of the braid that forms the end of the loop to the junction. This is more easily accomplished by cutting the end of your fly line on an angle and pushing the loop toward the line, which loosen the weave.

The reason for doing this is 99% of your loop will float, there will be less hinging, it makes it a lot harder for the just the loop part to fail or for the entire line loop to pull off by accident.

I only had one braided loop in my life ever fail and that failure was when the loop part pulled out at the junction of the loop. For that reason, I ALWAYS put a small drop of UV Knot Sense at that junction, work it into the braid and cure it with a UV light. FWIW - I also do this on the loops of my furled leaders.

IF you clean your fly lines frequently by pulling them through a sponge or rag, you have to be careful that you don't pull off the loop. This can happen working towards the loop because it acts like a "finger trap" and the weave loosens if you push in that direction with the rag or sponge.

A couple of things that can help:

Pushing your fly line ALL the way up the braid
Not squeezing as hard as you pull the loop through the rag/sponge
Hooking the loop on something and wiping from the hooked end toward the line
Washing the loop gently between soapy fingers.

IF you like Cortland loops with the heat shrink, you can damage your fly line if you are not careful. Instead use a small ceramic flat iron for hair (there are cheaper options). They work great and won't melt the coating on your line.

However, another issue with heat shrink is it is more likely to slide on the fly line towards the loop when cleaning, loosening the weave of the braided loop making it more likely to pull off completely. Because of that and the need to use heat, I switched to the Rio loops that use a small diameter piece of "stretchy" tubing. I find that the Rio loops are less likely to slip. The loops that Orvis sells also use stretchy tubing.

However when installing, slide the small piece of stretchy tubing down AFTER pushing your fly line into the loop and do it S-L-O-W-L-Y!! IF you slide them too far and past the open end of the loop, they are about impossible to slide back up the line and over the braid.

You can forsake the heat shrink or stretchy tubing entirely and just use some UV Knot Sense but you will have to trim the loose end of the braid and get them UNDER the Knot Sense, which is harder than you think. Another option is to a thread wrap over the end of the loop and Knot Sense coat that.
Besides working the line all the way up to the loop, I put a drop of aqua seal there too.
If there is a small gap, with the braid hollow there, it will cause hinging, and become a weak spot.
I also put a dab on the upper end of the sleeve where the tube is put
That always outlasted the fly line
 
Just say no to braided loops. This thread is full of better options, except for maybe the metal spike things.
Reason?

Only con I can see with them, is trying to keep them floating.
Have to work a good bit of paste into that braid, and more often too.

Other complaint I heard about them - they spray water upon landing, and pickup.
Since I'm usually fishing a 12 foot leader, I dont know how much of an issue that is for me.
And how about the wide spread use of braided and furled leaders now?
Wouldn't they cause even more splashing, and closer to the fly too?
 
Back in the day I used these. Now I stay with the welded loops or a nail knot depending on the fly fline.
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Congratulations all, we've officially filled 4 pages with ways to tie one piece of string to another piece of string in increasingly greater complexity with correspondingly little reward. Are the spring BWO's hatching yet? Lord knows it seems like we could use it
 
Congratulations all, we've officially filled 4 pages with ways to tie one piece of string to another piece of string in increasingly greater complexity with correspondingly little reward. Are the spring BWO's hatching yet? Lord knows it seems like we could use it
Been 2 months since I fished
Winter Doldrums really setting in....
 
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