Trout stamp

[lycoflyfisher]

You’re not required to have a pheasant stamp to hunt rabbits in a field where pheasants are stocked.

Why shouldn’t the same logic apply here?

Ill bite.

You have 100% control over what you CHOOSE to shoot as a hunter.

An angler may have some control over what fish they are targetting ie musky lures instead of a small hook with bait, but generally speaking once your line is in the water you have virtually no control over what bites your hook.

 

[Cznymph]

Ill bite.

You have 100% control over what you CHOOSE to shoot as a hunter.

An angler may have some control over what fish they are targetting ie musky lures instead of a small hook with bait, but generally speaking once your line is in the water you have virtually no control over what bites your hook.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve never been hunting where I had the option of returning an animal I have shot, alive.

Seems like that’s pretty commonplace in fishing.

 

[jifigz]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve never been hunting where I had the option of returning an animal I have shot, alive.

Seems like that’s pretty commonplace in fishing.

I even "liked" your post about hunting a field for bunnies where pheasants are stocked, but....

When you hunt, it is your responsibility first and foremost to identify that it is safe to shoot and that you are shooting the correct target. If you are bunny hunting and you shoot a pheasant, you show lack of control and, in my opinion, safety because you pulled up and just blew something away without ever actually ID-ing the critter or checking for safety.

These are the same people who shoot does and say they thought they were bucks. If you can't see antlers and tell it is legal, you don't shoot. That one is simple.

 

[Cznymph]

I even "liked" your post about hunting a field for bunnies where pheasants are stocked, but....

When you hunt, it is your responsibility first and foremost to identify that it is safe to shoot and that you are shooting the correct target. If you are bunny hunting and you shoot a pheasant, you show lack of control and, in my opinion, safety because you pulled up and just blew something away without ever actually ID-ing the critter or checking for safety.

These are the same people who shoot does and say they thought they were bucks. If you can't see antlers and tell it is legal, you don't shoot. That one is simple.

How are you able to prove that I’m not hunting for pheasants.

I’m in an area where pheasants are found.

I have the appropriate weapon for shooting pheasants.

I even am dressed in expensive Filson brush gear.

 

[DomR]

Yikes!!!! What a bunch of old curmudgeons'. The dang stamp is $16, who cares what it goes to use for. It's $16, you can't get a burger and beer for that in a lot of places. And it's a ONE time fee, good for the whole YEAR. Holy cow, I realize we got snow over the weekend but didn't think it'd bring back the shack nasties! LOL

 

[jifigz]

How are you able to prove that I’m not hunting for pheasants.

I’m in an area where pheasants are found.

I have the appropriate weapon for shooting pheasants.

I even am dressed in expensive Filson brush gear.

That one is easy. If you don't have the pheasant stamp, you aren't hunting for pheasants, and if you are hunting for them without the stamp, you are breaking the law. If you have the stamp, you can shoot pheasants and rabbits both. Plus, you are only arguing now for the sake of arguing. The quoted post above does not even align with your original post that I "liked."

You’re not required to have a pheasant stamp to hunt rabbits in a field where pheasants are stocked.

Why shouldn’t the same logic apply here?

Notice your original post. This one does not mention pheasant hunting. It mentions rabbit hunting a field where pheasants are stocked....

On this note, I will see myself out of this conversation.

 

[wildtrout2]

The dang stamp is $16, who cares what it goes to use for.

That's why I said I couldn't care less where the Trout Stamp funds go. I have zero control of how it's spent, all I know is it's requried to fish for trout in Pa, so I buy one, despite me never fishing for stocked trout.

The cost of a Pa fishing license AND a Trout Stamp is a small price to pay for all the enjoyment I get from wild trout fishing. If they raised the cost of a license, I'd be okay with that.

 

[Cznymph]

That one is easy. If you don't have the pheasant stamp, you aren't hunting for pheasants, and if you are hunting for them without the stamp, you are breaking the law. If you have the stamp, you can shoot pheasants and rabbits both. Plus, you are only arguing now for the sake of arguing. The quoted post above does not even align with your original post that I "liked."

Notice your original post. This one does not mention pheasant hunting. It mentions rabbit hunting a field where pheasants are stocked....

On this note, I will see myself out of this conversation.

It was explained in an earlier post that attire, cost of equipment and preference of angling method would be all a wco would need to see to determine that I was fishing for trout and not chubs.

So why doesn’t the game commission abide by that some logic? Surely a man in a field where pheasants are stocked, with an expensive shotgun and high end clothing must be hunting pheasants.

 

[Bamboozle]

The odds are almost zero of me catching a stocked trout, but if I did, that's probably how it would end up.

Which is also illegal and IMHO wrong for so many other reasons...

 

[wildtrout2]

Which is also illegal and IMHO wrong for so many other reasons...

So is going a few miles an hour over the speed limit, or not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign, which I'd bet my life you've done more than once. Is that also wrong in so many ways? 😉

 

[Mike]

Yes. Also, my understanding is the trout stamp revenue alone does not cover the cost of the stocking program and revenue for the general license sales is also used for stocked trout.

That’s why I said “subsidize.” And if things are still the same as when the trout stamp was set up, then your sentence above should be modified to say “some revenue.” Not a critique…just trying to be as accurate as possible based on the original use of the trout stamp given how this topic breeds controversy.

 

[Bamboozle]

So is going a few miles an hour over the speed limit, or not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign, which I'd bet my life you've done more than once. Is that also wrong in so many ways? 😉

Yes it is, as are whole bunch of other things I've done, but it doesn't make it right or (self) righteous...

However because I have such tremendous respect for the hobby I have enjoyed with passion for many decades; since getting my first copy of the Summary Booklet with my first fishing license with ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS...

I have never, ever willingly violated a fishing regulation in any state or jurisdiction.

And that includes regulations I may not necessarily be enamored with or those that go against absolutist principals which fortunately aren't my problem.

 

[wildtrout2]

Yes it is, as are whole bunch of other things I've done, but it doesn't make it right or (self) righteous...

However because I have such tremendous respect for the hobby I have enjoyed with passion for many decades; since getting my first copy of the Summary Booklet with my first fishing license with ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS...

I have never, ever willingly violated a fishing regulation in any state or jurisdiction.

And that includes regulations I may not necessarily be enamored with or those that go against absolutist principals which fortunately aren't my problem.

Sounds like we selectively break the law...

 

[Bamboozle]

NOT fishing laws or other laws for self righteous reasons...

 

[5footfenwick]

I’m confused? Isn’t releasing a a bunch of stocked trout into a Class A Native Brook trout stream illegal? Why would it be better if it’s only you releasing one stocked trout?

Releasing a caught stocked trout back into a small native brook trout stream is wrong. That’s common sense. If holding a trout by the gills is wrong and flopping a trout on the dry bank is ethically wrong because it can kill a trout. A single trout!
Then surely releasing a stocked trout back into a Native stream is certainly wrong. Since that kills many fish. Perhaps dozens of dead wild trout because of that single poor decision.

I know which one ethical anglers choose.
Hint…hint, it isn’t the option where you do something otherwise illegal on a smaller scale that kills dozens of Native brook trout!


~5footfenwick

 

[tomgamber]

Its not the fine, its the court costs and the suspension of fishing privileges. But yeah, just the required permit. We all give enough liquor/food away to each other at the Jam to go buy a second license and tag X2.

 

[ChuckofWagon]

Officer: May I see your Lake Erie permit?
Me: But sir......I'm not trying to catch Lake Erie

 

[Cznymph]

Officer: May I see your Lake Erie permit?
Me: But sir......I'm not trying to catch Lake Erie

Gotta make sure that you’ve got the steelhead stocking permit….i mean Erie Permit.

Heaven forbid they take a few bucks from the sale of that stamp and create or maintain boat access to the lake. One PFBC launch is so silted in that it’s impossible to launch anything but a hovercraft. They let the marina at Northeast fall into such disrepair that they pawned it off on the local municipalities, and then last week the sea wall collapsed, closing that ramp for the well foreseeable future. That leaves one PFBC facility to launch on Lake Erie, at walnut. Which is already way too busy when the walleye fishing gets good. Glad to see my license dollars get put to good use.

 

[CRB]

If you dont like to fish within the Pennsylvania laws just fish another state and brake their laws and see how far that will get you.

 

[Mike]

Gotta make sure that you’ve got the steelhead stocking permit….i mean Erie Permit.

Heaven forbid they take a few bucks from the sale of that stamp and create or maintain boat access to the lake. One PFBC launch is so silted in that it’s impossible to launch anything but a hovercraft. They let the marina at Northeast fall into such disrepair that they pawned it off on the local municipalities, and then last week the sea wall collapsed, closing that ramp for the well foreseeable future. That leaves one PFBC facility to launch on Lake Erie, at walnut. Which is already way too busy when the walleye fishing gets good. Glad to see my license dollars get put to good use.

Those are not your fishing license dollars; they’re your boat registration dollars. Different fund.