PFBC Old Website Data and Information

Preventing the public from accessing factual governmental data - is this a worrisome developing trend?
 
Broodstock said:
at the top of the area pages for biologist reports it now states:
"Additional reports available upon request."

I suppose with enough prodding I could ask for all of the historic ones.
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Do they also provide a list of those reports in association with that comment? If you say yes, I’ll be shocked.
 
Mike said:
Do they also provide a list of those reports in association with that comment? If you say yes, I’ll be shocked.
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I will have to get back to you once I actually get someone on the phone. I have had just about the same luck calling as with the website.
 
Broodstock said:
at the top of the area pages for biologist reports it now states:
"Additional reports available upon request."

I suppose with enough prodding I could ask for all of the historic ones.
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Did they ever publish all the electrofishing results, or even a substantial percentage of them?

I thought they just published a very small percentage of them, probably less than 1 percent.

And I don't think they ever published which streams are Class B, Class C, Class D,, or the biomass, except for the wilderness streams, which are a very small percentage of the trout stream mileage.
 
troutbert said:
Did they ever publish all the electrofishing results, or even a substantial percentage of them?

I thought they just published a very small percentage of them, probably less than 1 percent.

And I don't think they ever published which streams are Class B, Class C, Class D,, or the biomass, except for the wilderness streams, which are a very small percentage of the trout stream mileage.
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That’s largely correct with the exception that the Biologist Reports may have in some cases included the biomass estimates, which could then have been compared with the biomass ranges associated with each class. Those ranges had in my recollection been published at times. Additionally, to make it easier some reports may have stated the classification associated with the reported biomasses.
 
flyguyfishing said:
www.pa.gov

Reports and Strategic Plans

www.pa.gov www.pa.gov

Search (using quotes) “pfbc annual report”

2000-2023 are there. It includes license sales.
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Thanks, but I was referring to the old Biologist Reports. Apparently I didn’t make that clear enough. Despite their age, some anglers here apparently found them to be interesting references.
 
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I'll do some more searching. I had found some of Biology Reports as mentioned, but the rest of the electroshocking reports seem to be not added. There are plenty of interactive maps and pdf's of different trout streams, but that's about it. The new PFBC is a pretty shallow pool.

BTW for new anglers, there were two different conversations happing here. The OP is about PFBC reports from there older websites. The second conversation came up about the US Federal USGS Water Gauges. Two different organizations, but some similar issues as mentioned.
 
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Dave thank you. 👍
A great deal of information disappeared.
I hope trough yours and our efforts will help make these reports and information ,more easily available.

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troutbert said:
Why are the websites getting worse? Are there technical changes causing this?
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My uneducated guess is that as cyber security gets more expensive, costs must be cut to make up for it. Older web platforms need to be upgraded and dumming down the information you put on there reduces expense. Also someone has to be paid to sort through the information and possibly do some major format reworking to get it online. Maybe the people responsible for that were determined to be used in other capacities. Maybe they outsourced that work and decided to trim the fat.

Again I have no real knowledge here, but I can't imagine budget concerns not playing the major role.
 
troutbert said:
Why are the websites getting worse? Are there technical changes causing this?
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For whatever reason the state looks like they made many agencies migrate to the single overriding platform. A sort of state umbrella for websites. In the long run it does save money on hosting, licensing, management and content creation. Personally the costs of running websites are relatively low, it's the upgrading and migrating that is the real cost.

My speculation is they were made encouraged to make this change with the carrot of it will save them money. But they didn't have or were not provided the funding /resources in the migration to move over all the old data and reports. You would likely see PFBC point fingers at the Pa State Informations Systems Agency and vice-versa. They may have set this up as a phased migration and the old records will be ported at a later date. Haha
 
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