Western PA Conservacy

Your local TU & your local conservancy they are both good conservation organizations. I belong to TU and I also donate to my local conservancy.

TU is focused on cold water streams, while most conservancy organizations are concerned with the general conservation of land and waterways. Both organizations often work together.

Just pick one and help. You really can't go wrong.
 
I made a comment about which of the two organizations do more for me in general and challenged others to consider the same issue for themselves. If you have time to contribute monetarily or otherwise to both, do so. If it is one or the other, I told you my preference and the reasons therefor.

"No offense, but more than from TU, I have benefitted from the efforts and holdings of the WPC. I bet many of us can say the same regarding your local conservacies."

(Emphasis added).
 
Hey, how 'bout the Isaac Walton League of Greater Monessen?!?
:p

Don't forget dem....
 
I don't think Jack's post was wrong at all. Saying one conservation organization has done more for us than another, in no way implies that the "other" is a bad organization.

Most of us have a budget for charity. There are many organizations competing for said money, even if all of the above are very good organizations and work together for a common goal, they're still competing for donations, just the way it is. Is it better/more effective to spread the wealth, giving a little to a lot of good organizations, or is it better to throw all your weight into one camp? And lots of answers in between too. Those questions are up to the individual to answer.

I've moved around this state enough to realize that my personal answer is going to be different depending where I'm at. Some TU chapters are stronger and more active in conservation than others. Some conservancies cater to my desires more than others. Some watershed associations are more active than others, etc. I think Jack was encouraging folks to do their research.
 
Thanks. That excuse works for me pc.

Adding:

113 acres of forest land conserved in Bedford County
Wednesday, December 29, 2010
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The Western Pennsylvania Conservancy announced today it has permanently conserved 113 acres of forest along Tussey Mountain in Bedford County in partnership with private landowners.

The newly conserved land connects to a forested area that encompasses more than 9,500 acres. Its permanent protection was made possible through a conservation easement donated to WPC by property owners Mike and Laura Jackson. A conservation easement is a legal agreement between the conservancy and private landowners that limits future uses of the property.

"This beautiful property, which is adjacent to State Game Lands 97, adds further protection to a vast forest that supports a stunning array of wildlife species," Michael Knoop, land protection specialist for the Western Pennsylvania Conservancy, said in a news release.

More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.





Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10363/1114159-100.stm#ixzz19X2uprtz
 
More.....


Laurel Hill land purchase provides access and protection

Sunday, December 26, 2010
By Shannon M. Nass, Special to the Post-Gazette
A scenic portion of Pennsylvania's landscape has been spared from subdivision and development.

The Western Pennsylvania Conservancy recently purchased 2,500 feet of scenic frontage on Laurel Hill Creek, which is adjacent to Laurel Hill State Park in Somerset County. The 137-acre expanse provides stunning views of Laurel Ridge and Laurel Hill State Park and connects to hiking trails in the park.

"This purchase has been such a high priority for us and the state park system," said conservancy president and CEO Tom Saunders. "It's a particularly magnificent property."

Included is new access to Laurel Hill Creek, a critical addition to the park.

"It was the park's No. 1 priority for acquisition primarily because of the frontage on the stream," said Mike Kuzemchak, Laurel Highlands project director for the conservancy. "It's such a significant recreational resource ... this solidifies the access to the stream."

Despite its heavy angling pressure, Laurel Hill Creek is listed as one of the 10 most endangered waterways in the country by the conservation group American Rivers. Existing and proposed withdrawals are the main reason for inclusion on the list.

"A lot of the issue is volume. The water is being overused in a number of ways," said Saunders.

Kuzemchak notes that withdrawals from the Borough of Somerset, a proposed bottling plant and water removal for Marcellus Shale drilling are decreasing the amount of water flowing through the stream.

"By removing large quantities, it definitely could impair the health of the stream," said Kuzemchak.

The acquisition of the stream by the conservancy cannot stop the withdrawals, but it will provide protection in other vital areas.

"When people remove the shrubs, trees and vegetation from the stream banks, it causes erosion, sedimentation, it raises the temperature of the stream by eliminating the shade, and it takes away habitat for things in the water and adjacent to the water," said Kuzemchak. "The protection that we're providing is for the habitat along the stream."

The purchase of the property was made possible by donations from the B.K. Simon family and the Colcom Foundation and through funding from the Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources.



First published on December 26, 2010 at 12:00 am


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10360/1113043-140.stm#ixzz19bl
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osprey wrote:
The thing that must be looked for is common ground. To just leave it the way it is is ignoring it. For JackM to point out that often groups oppose each other is not wrong , it drags it out from under the table and into the light. TU and T.A.P are about as polarized as you can get , yet , common ground there is clean water. After you tear away all the garbage and drag it into the light the issue is CLEAN WATER.

Let's be clear, TU has absolutely no opposition to land conservancies. How you got that from Jack's post, I don't know. TU has partnered with conservancies throughout the country.
 
RyanR wrote:
osprey wrote:
The thing that must be looked for is common ground. To just leave it the way it is is ignoring it. For JackM to point out that often groups oppose each other is not wrong , it drags it out from under the table and into the light. TU and T.A.P are about as polarized as you can get , yet , common ground there is clean water. After you tear away all the garbage and drag it into the light the issue is CLEAN WATER.

Let's be clear, TU has absolutely no opposition to land conservancies. How you got that from Jack's post, I don't know. TU has partnered with conservancies throughout the country.

That's true, TU has no opposition to land conservancies, nor do the land conservancies have any opposition to TU. They have worked together on many things here in PA and across the country that have benefitted trout streams.
 
I agree with troutbert's last post. Also, the conservacies have more money to work with, generally having been funded by wealthy trusts that can afford to use some part of their vast wealth to gain partial tax relief through donations. TU has a bit less of this kind of financial support and so your $25 donation may be more important to TU than the WPC.
 
pcray1231 wrote:
I don't think Jack's post was wrong at all. Saying one conservation organization has done more for us than another, in no way implies that the "other" is a bad organization.

Most of us have a budget for charity. There are many organizations competing for said money, even if all of the above are very good organizations and work together for a common goal, they're still competing for donations, just the way it is. Is it better/more effective to spread the wealth, giving a little to a lot of good organizations, or is it better to throw all your weight into one camp? And lots of answers in between too. Those questions are up to the individual to answer.

I've moved around this state enough to realize that my personal answer is going to be different depending where I'm at. Some TU chapters are stronger and more active in conservation than others. Some conservancies cater to my desires more than others. Some watershed associations are more active than others, etc. I think Jack was encouraging folks to do their research.



Very well explained!

A large part of the heritage of our FREEDOM, lies in the fact that we can voice our opinons without persecution.
 
JackM wrote:
I agree with troutbert's last post. Also, the conservacies have more money to work with, generally having been funded by wealthy trusts that can afford to use some part of their vast wealth to gain partial tax relief through donations. TU has a bit less of this kind of financial support and so your $25 donation may be more important to TU than the WPC.

I agree. If I had 5 million dollars to donate, I would donate it to a land conservancy, not TU. And I would probably try to work with them to see that that money was spent to conserve land through which a quality trout stream flowed.

Because that much money is the type of money that could really benefit streams by protecting the land they flow through, and the conservancies are involved in that type of activity.

Conervancies do that real estate type work. But do not (typically) do advocacy work.

TU does not have the money to buy and manage land to any great extent. But, unlike the land conservancies, they do advocacy work. And in advocacy work, the numbers of members of your group makes a big difference.

If you go to state agencies and express your concern about bulldozers gouging out streams, having 12,000 members (PATU's approximate membership) will probably get you a better hearing than if you have 800 members.

If you had 80,000 members (the approx. numbers of flyfishers in PA) you would probably be taken even more seriously than if you have 12,000 members.

With issues like channelization, pollution, etc. numbers of members matter a lot when talking to agencies and politicians.

When buying land, the number of members is less important. When a tract of land comes up for sale, you either have enough money to buy it or you don't. And annual $25 membership fees aren't going to buy tracts of land. That's barely enough to cover costs of mailings, website, etc. They get money to buy real estate from large trusts from seriously wealthy people.

So, the main roles played by conservancies and TU are typically different. But they are not in opposition, they are complementary.

There are some things, such as riparian buffers, tree plantings, stream cleanups, etc. where the groups commonly work together.

Another example would be the habitat work at the site of the McCoy Dam removal on Spring Creek. TU, Clearwater Conservancy, and the PFBC were all involved in that.
 
As with all non-profits, be sure to do your due diligence and check out their administrative expenses and their permitted utilization of properties. Some conservancies have full time staff that eat up a huge percentage of grant funding (to a gross and exaggerated level). Also some conservancies limit hunting and/or fishing on their properties.
 
It would be great if more flyfishers joined the conservancies, and if they have the money, to donate to them. And try to influence them in the direction of more stream conservation oriented land purchases.

The Western PA Conservancy's purchases have been very beneficial to stream conservation. Partly because they have the money to buy LARGE chunks of land.

Many other conservancies have far more limited budgets and usually buy smaller parcels. And often they seem to be not particularly stream focused.

I know of a conservancy in PA (I won't name names) that has purchased and acquired conservation easements on various properties, but very little of these lands are stream corridor lands. They seem focused on upland properties, up on the ridges.

I'm not sure why that is so. It may be that those properties are just less expensive. Or it may fit the interests of their leadership, membership and contributors. There are surely more hikers than fishermen among their ranks. So, understandably, they focus on the lands most closely associated to their interests.

But from a biological conservation perspective, stream corridor lands support a far higher number of species than uplands.
 
In the latest edition of the PA Angler, the writer Ben Moyer has an article about Chestnut Hill Trout Unlimited, which is in the area around the Yough, Dunbar, Laurel HIll Creek drainages. It includes some quotes by a Western PA Conservancy member.

If you search "PA Angler Chestnut Hill Trout Unlimited" you can find the article in pdf format.

I'm not sure how to link a pdf file. :-o
 
Just paste the PDF url as follows:

http://fishandboat.com/anglerboater/2011ab/vol80num1_janfeb/07chestnut.pdf
 
JackM wrote:
Just paste the PDF url as follows:

http://fishandboat.com/anglerboater/2011ab/vol80num1_janfeb/07chestnut.pdf

Thanks, Jack.
 
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