Susq R bass regs, more designated wild trout streams & Class A's, license display proposal

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07/11/2017

PFBC Board Keeps Closed Season on Bass in Susquehanna, Juniata Rivers


?HARRISBURG, Pa. (July 11) – The Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission (PFBC) voted today to keep in place for at least one more year a closed season on bass fishing in the middle and lower Susquehanna and lower Juniata rivers during the traditional spawning period from May 1 through mid-June.

Also, at the start of today’s formal meeting, the board elected Commissioner Rocco Ali as president and Commissioner Eric Hussar as vice-president. President Ali represents Allegheny, Armstrong, Beaver, Fayette, Greene, Indiana, Washington and Westmoreland counties. Vice President Hussar represents Bradford, Columbia, Lycoming, Montour, Northumberland, Snyder, Sullivan, Tioga and Union counties.

A closed season for smallmouth and largemouth bass from May 1 through June 16 has been in place since 2012 on approximately 98 miles of the Susquehanna River from Sunbury downstream to the Holtwood Dam and on 31.7 miles of the Juniata River from Port Royal downstream to the mouth. Anglers can target bass during the remainder of the year, but only on a catch-and-immediate-release basis.

The PFBC proposed removing the spring closed season at its January meeting after fish surveys conducted from 2013-2016 revealed increasing numbers of adult smallmouth bass compared to severely reduced numbers collected from 2005-2012. The proposal called for lifting the ban for the 2018 season and adopting an adaptive management approach to set regulations moving forward.

However, the Board of Commissioners voted today to keep the regulations in place for 12 more months, giving them time to review data from 2017 adult bass surveys, which are scheduled to begin in September. The board will then revisit the proposal at its July 2018 quarterly business meeting and decide if the closed season on these sections of the rivers should be removed beginning in 2019.

“The board’s action today provides time for our biologists to collect and evaluate another year of data, which hopefully will reinforce the encouraging trends we’ve seen the last few years in the smallmouth bass population,” said PFBC Executive Director John Arway.

The PFBC accepted public comments during a 60-day period and held public meetings in Harrisburg, Lancaster and Selinsgrove to discuss the proposal with anglers. Approximately half of the 179 comments received opposed any change to the current regulations. About 37 percent supported the proposal.

Also today, the board adopted a proposed rulemaking order which would eliminate the requirement that anglers display their fishing license on a hat, vest or other article of clothing when fishing.

The proposal would instead require anglers to have their fishing license in their possession when fishing and show it to a waterways conservation officer (WCO) when asked. The proposal also specifically allows anglers to keep a copy of their fishing license on a mobile device, which could then be shown to a WCO.

If approved as a final rulemaking, the change would go into effect upon publication in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.

Commissioners also approved a proposal to place the upper reaches of the West Branch Susquehanna River under Catch and Release All-Tackle regulations. The focus area of the upper West Branch is approximately 26.6 miles from the acid mine drainage treatment plant in Watkins downstream to the confluence with Cush Creek near Dowler Junction.

“The change will help protect the wild trout populations as the river continues to recover from acid mine drainage,” said Jason Detar, Chief of the Division of Fisheries Management. “This is a special opportunity to protect, improve, and highlight the developing wild trout fishery in a region where many waterways have not supported fisheries for over a century due to pollution.”

The upper West Branch is currently managed under Commonwealth inland regulations. The designation change will take effect on Jan. 1, 2018.

In other action, the board:

· Approved the acquisition of 1,900 linear feet on Elk Creek as it flows across a parcel of property in McKean Township, Erie County, for $26,000. The easement area is located off West Road immediately downstream of the PFBC’s Rick Road Access. Elk Creek is a popular steelhead and trout fishery and the acquisition of the easement will provide additional trout and steelhead fishing opportunities.

· Approved a 10-year lease with Fairview Evergreen Nurseries at the PFBC’s Fairview State Fish Hatchery in Erie County. The nursery has leased the property for 40 years for use with its nursery business. The nursery will pay $4,650 the first year, with the annual amount increasing to a payment of $4,925 in the final year.

· Approved the acquisition of an easement on a 0.4-acre parcel of land on Trout Run in Fairview Township, Erie County. This section of Trout Run is a critical steelhead brood collection location for the Lake Erie Steelhead Program and the acquisition of an easement is necessary to continue the program. The PFBC previously had agreements with the former owners of the property, and wants to enter into a similar agreement with the current owners.

· Authorized a grant not to exceed $125,000 to the Western Pennsylvania Conservancy to help with the acquisition of the Indian Caverns property in Franklin Township, Huntingdon County, followed by the subsequent transfer of the property to the PFBC. The 13.56-acre property is located along Spruce Creek, a nationally renowned trout fishery. There is currently very limited public access, and the purchase would provide important access to one of Pennsylvania’s finest trout streams.

· Added 99 waters to the list of wild trout streams and adjusted the section limits of seven waters.

· Added 29 stream sections to the list of Class A wild trout streams.

· Approved a grant of up to $175,000 to American Rivers, Inc., or other appropriate partner organization for the removal of Delp Dam (also known as Swartley Mill Dam) across Indian Creek, Montgomery County. The funding is being provided by the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission to fulfill stream mitigation requirements as part of a highway widening project.

· Proposed eliminating the leader length requirement in catch-and-release fly-fishing only areas. Currently, anglers fishing in these areas cannot use a leader that exceeds 18 feet in length. The amendment proposed today would allow anglers to use leaders of any length. If adopted on a final rulemaking, the amendment would go into effect upon publication in the Pennsylvania Bulletin.
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Much good news here.

In particular, I'm pleased to see the proposed C&R section on the upper West Branch of the Susky and the land transfer on Spruce Creek. I wasn't aware of these intiatives.
 
What would be the proposed frontage on Spruce and would it include both sides?
 
Dave_W wrote:
Much good news here.

In particular, I'm pleased to see the proposed C&R section on the upper West Branch of the Susky and the land transfer on Spruce Creek. I wasn't aware of these intiatives.

Agreed. The Spruce Creek purchase sounds great, I just wonder how much stream footage is involved. 13.56 acres might be a small section. But regardless, I applaud the initiative. Definitely a step in the right direction!

 
The Spruce proposal which I did not see on the agenda, approved only a maximum grant to the Western PA Conservancy and not an outright purchase. I am sure the property value far exceeds the 125K. What would PFBC have to pay for the buy-back option or mandate?

In any event, it would be nice to know the frontage that comes with the Indian Caverns property.
 
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Jack -

See attached tax map of the area. Parcel number 14-12-40 is owned by the same person as the smaller parcels (numbers not shown on map) which house the lincoln caverns buildings proper, and access road. Not sure which parcels, they are looking at acquiring, but even if they acquire the largest parcel and subsequent smaller parcels it still wouldnt open up a whole lot of frontage.
 
There are some big fish in the Indian Cavern Stretch of spruce creek. Would be fun to fish there for sure!

Also glad about the proposal to eliminate license displaying.
Don't know how many times I've had mine tear off without knowing it.
Just recently happened this spring when I was on an extended fishing trip.
It's also a pain during wet days, when I'm frequently putting a rain coat on and off. And covering my license, which is displayed on my vest
 
Love everything but the open door to center pinning.

Seriously though everything else was awesome!
A new special reg area, continued protection of the susquehanna and monitoring, land transfers, more class a and wild trout waters. Not much not to like.

This should go to show we need the PFBC, I hope you guys get to increase the license fee.
 
Nice detective work NewSal. I couldn't find the property tax maps. Do you have a link to the County/Township web site that allows access to these?
 
Wow, that's a lot of great news! I am most excited about the Susky bass regs. The fishing license rule is a nice change too - follows in the footsteps of other states that already allow you to use an electronic copy on your phone. I know DC and I believe VA already do this.
 
JackM wrote:
Nice detective work NewSal. I couldn't find the property tax maps. Do you have a link to the County/Township web site that allows access to these?

Fortunately Huntingdon County has online GIS available to all :

http://www.huntingdoncounty.net/Dept/Mapping/Pages/Web-Mapping.aspx
 
If you wish to see some data from the "new" WT streams, go to the PFBC web page, scroll down to "Minutes and Agendas" and go to Exhibit I from this week's commissioners' meeting. You will find a map for each stream or stream segment and in the upper right hand area above the map find the number of trout handled from each species and their length range. It does not tell you how long the electrofishing site was, however. It is safe to assume that it was in most cases 300 m or less, and in many cases for a "new" wild trout stream perhaps only 100-125 m. With this info you can at least get an idea as to whether or not the trout were abundant and get an idea of the maximum size that you can expect to find.
 
It's good to see the PFBC implement C&R on a long section of river, the upper WB Susky, with a developing wild trout fishery.

All tackle C&R has proven a good solution on other waterways across the state, and seems to face a bit less local opposition than DHALO or FF only(?). The expansion of this regulation by the PFBC seems to me to be at least a tacit recognition of the value of C&R management in protecting wild trout.

Anyway, I hope the PFBC continues to expand this regulation option.
 
dryflyguy wrote:
There are some big fish in the Indian Cavern Stretch of spruce creek. Would be fun to fish there for sure!

You already can/could for a fairly modest fee. $10 an hour or something like that as of a few years ago. That stretch of stream could use some habitat improvement IMO. The big fish are there because IC guest can/could buy food and feed them.

Online search seems to indicate that the cavern has been closed to tourist so who knows if the big fish stuck around.
 
greenghost wrote:
I just wonder how much stream footage is involved. 13.56 acres might be a small section. But regardless, I applaud the initiative. Definitely a step in the right direction!

Well under 200 yds if memory serves me. Frankly, I'm more interested in them keeping the cave open for visits than having that stretch of creek available for fishing.
 
PennKev wrote:
greenghost wrote:
I just wonder how much stream footage is involved. 13.56 acres might be a small section. But regardless, I applaud the initiative. Definitely a step in the right direction!

Well under 200 yds if memory serves me. Frankly, I'm more interested in them keeping the cave open for visits than having that stretch of creek available for fishing.

Be interesting to see what happens with the cave.
I took my granddaughter in there about 8 years ago, and we both thought it was kinda blah. Not as nice as nearby penns and lincoln caverns IMO
Maybe they could just leave it open to explore on your own, at your own risk?
 
Use the caves to store government surveillance records. Open the water to access and fishing. Do not stock. Join it, in purpose, with the George Harvey stretch as an experimental wild fishery.
 
dryflyguy wrote:
PennKev wrote:
greenghost wrote:
I just wonder how much stream footage is involved. 13.56 acres might be a small section. But regardless, I applaud the initiative. Definitely a step in the right direction!

Well under 200 yds if memory serves me. Frankly, I'm more interested in them keeping the cave open for visits than having that stretch of creek available for fishing.

Be interesting to see what happens with the cave.
I took my granddaughter in there about 8 years ago, and we both thought it was kinda blah. Not as nice as nearby penns and lincoln caverns IMO
Maybe they could just leave it open to explore on your own, at your own risk?

The cave will not be open to the public as it is being turned back into a bat sanctuary. After all, humans and spelunking are generally believed to be the root of much white nose syndrome which have decimated brown bats.

I like hearing about the PFBC gaining that land parcel and hopefully opening up a little more access on Spruce. I am sure that it won't be much but it is a good start. That one time I looked in on that stretch of water it was filled with too many unnaturally large trout in a small area.
 
jifigz wrote:
dryflyguy wrote:
PennKev wrote:
greenghost wrote:
I just wonder how much stream footage is involved. 13.56 acres might be a small section. But regardless, I applaud the initiative. Definitely a step in the right direction!

That one time I looked in on that stretch of water it was filled with too many unnaturally large trout in a small area.

All of spruce creek is filled with unnaturally large trout. Its amusing that guys pay big money to go there and be told by some "Guides" that they are catching 30" wild trout. Its nothing more than a stocked pond for grown-ups.
If paying someone to catch stocked fish is someones thing then that's fine but it sure isn't mine.
It would be cool to someday see spruce creek return to a wild natural fishery open to the public but thatll never happen
 
Also today, the board adopted a proposed rulemaking order which would eliminate the requirement that anglers display their fishing license on a hat, vest or other article of clothing when fishing.


I've been doing this for a few years now glad its legal now :-D
 
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