Broodstock
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true story.
Spot finder fees. First I have heard of such a thing
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dudemanspecial
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In a vacuum, the act of him selling these specific locations isn't really the big issue for me personally. The odds of me ever fishing there is pretty slim. The arrogance if it irks me more than anything.
The problem for me is the mere thought of others getting the idea and it hitting close to home.
There are more rivers that hold wild 20+ inch browns in this state that are barely fished, let alone talked about online, than most people realize. I know of one that people would never even consider, let alone any other waterway within a 50 mile radius of it.
Wanna know the name? 20 bucks.
Wanna know a few access points? 40 bucks.
Wanna know what runs they are in with pictures to prove it? 100 bucks.
What if someone did that to your favorite stream?
Look at how people go nuts trying to figure out where Dusty Rhodes is catching those big browns. Imagine his inbox if he made a video announcing the sales of the spots?
What if it is in your backyard?
The problem for me is the mere thought of others getting the idea and it hitting close to home.
There are more rivers that hold wild 20+ inch browns in this state that are barely fished, let alone talked about online, than most people realize. I know of one that people would never even consider, let alone any other waterway within a 50 mile radius of it.
Wanna know the name? 20 bucks.
Wanna know a few access points? 40 bucks.
Wanna know what runs they are in with pictures to prove it? 100 bucks.
What if someone did that to your favorite stream?
Look at how people go nuts trying to figure out where Dusty Rhodes is catching those big browns. Imagine his inbox if he made a video announcing the sales of the spots?
What if it is in your backyard?
Tabasco-Joe
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Do I get a refund if I pay for an 8" stream but only catch 6" fish?
Now if you had a 16" Brook Trout stream with a guarantee you might be on to something.
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I think what is being described in this thread is quite different than writing a guidebook, or actually operating as a legitimate guide.
With a guidebook, you get into on several hundred streams with your purchase, not just one. And generally, they are written in such a way as to give out enough information to the purchaser to make it worth buying the book, but they leave a good bit behind the curtain too. Especially on smaller, less pressured streams. I still think troutbert’s book is the gold standard for this. Most small streams receive 1-3 paragraphs of text, and then the book moves on. It gives you enough info to motivate you into wanting to explore a stream potentially, but not much more. The stream is still mostly a surprise when you get there. The book doesn’t have pictures of Dwight holding his bounty from each stream, and leaves way more to your imagination than a YT video of the creator catching a couple dozen fish.
I’m personally not a fan of using guides after a couple of poor experiences, but for the guides who do it right (like several posters here have described as to what goes into that), it’s a lot more work than sending an email, and transferring the payment from your payment platform of choice to your bank account.
For me, this was telling…After getting some of the initial backlash, in one of the videos he sorta pivoted and almost attempted to make this seem charitable to be willing to share this info. If you were being charitable, you wouldn’t be charging $500.
I generally choose not to openly identify where I’m fishing online. But if you’re a regular around here, and you’re a positive contributor to the site, and you PM me about where a post was from, I’ll generally tell you. Yeah, there’s a dozen or so I keep to myself and my close personal fishing friends, but not many.
And agree. It’s not one individual doing this that bothers me. It’s the idea behind it.
With a guidebook, you get into on several hundred streams with your purchase, not just one. And generally, they are written in such a way as to give out enough information to the purchaser to make it worth buying the book, but they leave a good bit behind the curtain too. Especially on smaller, less pressured streams. I still think troutbert’s book is the gold standard for this. Most small streams receive 1-3 paragraphs of text, and then the book moves on. It gives you enough info to motivate you into wanting to explore a stream potentially, but not much more. The stream is still mostly a surprise when you get there. The book doesn’t have pictures of Dwight holding his bounty from each stream, and leaves way more to your imagination than a YT video of the creator catching a couple dozen fish.
I’m personally not a fan of using guides after a couple of poor experiences, but for the guides who do it right (like several posters here have described as to what goes into that), it’s a lot more work than sending an email, and transferring the payment from your payment platform of choice to your bank account.
For me, this was telling…After getting some of the initial backlash, in one of the videos he sorta pivoted and almost attempted to make this seem charitable to be willing to share this info. If you were being charitable, you wouldn’t be charging $500.
I generally choose not to openly identify where I’m fishing online. But if you’re a regular around here, and you’re a positive contributor to the site, and you PM me about where a post was from, I’ll generally tell you. Yeah, there’s a dozen or so I keep to myself and my close personal fishing friends, but not many.
And agree. It’s not one individual doing this that bothers me. It’s the idea behind it.
wildtrout2
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You were reading my mind with this. He immediately came to mind when I first read about this selfish concept. I believe Dusty fishes a good bit of private water though. But, after seeing the size of the willd browns he catches, people would prolly be willing to pay $1000 for location details. 😉
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wildtrout2
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I agree with your entire post. He did attempt to come off as being charitable. Apparently, he's his own favorite charity.
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Dusty’s videos can be sleuthed, at least some of them. He’s pretty tough though.
I’m sure Look’n’fishy can be sleuthed to some degree too, but I have never had the motivation to try given that I presently have no plans to fish out there. And I find even less motivation now after this.
I’m sure Look’n’fishy can be sleuthed to some degree too, but I have never had the motivation to try given that I presently have no plans to fish out there. And I find even less motivation now after this.
Nocktavius
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What’s with everybody suddenly having to turn this sport/hobby into a hustle of some kind. Am I the only one who actually just enjoys the relaxation and satisfaction of fly fishing anymore without all the “pick me” main character syndrome bull that people seem increasingly hell bent on dragging into it?
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I guide for Sky Blue. Walk and wades on the eastern and central PA streams. Run my boat on the Lehigh. My specialty is Jordan Creek. 😉
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Nope. Totally agree. And I think this thread illustrates there’s a lot of us out there that think like that.
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I don't think it's all of a sudden. Been that way forever. Just more prevalent with Youtube.
caddisflyer
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Youtube fishing guys are douches
I'm still wondering about the legality of it. He is basically selling spots on public waters that he can't control any access to. Is this considered guiding/outfitting or just taking advantage of having some knowledge and selling it like a guide book?
BradFromPotter
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depends 😎
dudemanspecial
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The ones that are doing it to build some kind of brand? 100%
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pretty simple....it's knowledge.
wildtrout2
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I'd think that describes the majority of them. Why else would somebody record their fishing trips via GoPro, then post them on YouTube without wanting notoriety?
DomR
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It's profiteering off of the back of the public since he doesn't pay for exclusivity to the properties he's going to sell information about. I know people guide on public water but a guide in addition to providing access information often teaches his clients skills to help his knowledge of the sport or the local fishery. Bottom line he should at least have to apply for a guide license in the states where he would sell access information, he's acting as a remote guide as far as I'm concerned.
dudemanspecial
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Yeah, probably the majority, but there are some quality channels out there that are just doing it for fun or to be helpful.
Andy Leitzinger....if you have never checked out his videos you are missing some good stuff:
A Pennsylvania Journal with Andy Leitzinger
A Pennsylvania Journal that explores the natural world while sharing experiences, insights, stories and musings from a lifetime of fly fishing, hiking, observing and gardening.
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Yes, George Daniel is a brand name but I don't get the impression he is trying too hard with his youtube channel:
George Daniel
I'm a full-time fly fishing instructor/guide/author/presenter and occasionally post videos. Thank you for watching.
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Jim Misura is far from a douche:
Jim Misiura
I've been tying flies for over 30 years. I'm a, tying instructor, as well as fly fishing instructor. The sole purpose of my tying videos is to help the beginner tier to reach a higher level of confidence in their fly tying skills. While giving the experienced tier some new ideas for designing...
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I don't think Scott is trying to sell anything, just seems like a guy that is excited about fishing and wants to share:
Western PA Flyfisher is another guy that is just sharing his experience:
Western Pa Fly Fisher
Just a guy who likes to tie flies and fish them. I play a little drums but I'm trying to concentrate current and future videos on my fly fishing habit. My father bought me my first fly rod, a Shakespeare Wonder Rod, in 1976. I still have it and fish it occasionally. Thanks for checking my...
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wildtrout2
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I'm sure there are exceptions.Yeah, probably the majority, but there are some quality channels out there that are just doing it for fun or to be helpful.
Andy Leitzinger....if you have never checked out his videos you are missing some good stuff:
A Pennsylvania Journal with Andy Leitzinger
A Pennsylvania Journal that explores the natural world while sharing experiences, insights, stories and musings from a lifetime of fly fishing, hiking, observing and gardening.
Yes, George Daniel is a brand name but I don't get the impression he is trying too hard with his youtube channel:
George Daniel
I'm a full-time fly fishing instructor/guide/author/presenter and occasionally post videos. Thank you for watching.
Jim Misura is far from a douche:
Jim Misiura
I've been tying flies for over 30 years. I'm a, tying instructor, as well as fly fishing instructor. The sole purpose of my tying videos is to help the beginner tier to reach a higher level of confidence in their fly tying skills. While giving the experienced tier some new ideas for designing...
I don't think Scott is trying to sell anything, just seems like a guy that is excited about fishing and wants to share:
Western PA Flyfisher is another guy that is just sharing his experience:
Western Pa Fly Fisher
Just a guy who likes to tie flies and fish them. I play a little drums but I'm trying to concentrate current and future videos on my fly fishing habit. My father bought me my first fly rod, a Shakespeare Wonder Rod, in 1976. I still have it and fish it occasionally. Thanks for checking my...
