Mid price and up

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What do you guys get for fishing mid price and up ($500+) rods? I have a couple of lower end rods, and a few TFOs for fishing. Are the mid price and up that much better? The only ones I’ve ever had a chance to try was a Helios that I didn’t really care for and a T&T Zone that I spent a day steelhead fishing with. What am I missing out on?

Steve
 
You’re not missing anything, a fly rod is something you buy because you like it.. not because of the price. Go to your local shop and cast as many rods as you can. I have rods from $17 all the way up to $1100 and love them equally. There will be rods that will just “feel” right for your casting stroke. Every rod regardless of price has its own wall thickness, taper, composition etc.
 
Other than casting different rods, I would also just try to stay away from the budget companies who design broomstick rods for show to get sales on instagram… we all know the brand(s) I’m talking about. I think echo makes fantastic rods in the “entry” category. The traverse is a sweet rod I have personally fished.
 
What do you guys get for fishing mid price and up ($500+) rods? I have a couple of lower end rods, and a few TFOs for fishing. Are the mid price and up that much better? The only ones I’ve ever had a chance to try was a Helios that I didn’t really care for and a T&T Zone that I spent a day steelhead fishing with. What am I missing out on?

Steve
IMO A fly rod is pretty much as good as the person using it.
 
Nope, they're not that much better. I primarily fished a 905 Aetos for several years. My son started fishing more with me so I passed it on to him and got an IMX Pro. Is it better? A little. There isn't a fish that I could catch with the Loomis that I couldn't also catch with the Fenwick.

Last year I bought a closeout H3 904. It's a fantastic dry fly rod. It's the rod I grab unless I think I may need to throw streamers as well. Again, though, I could catch all the same fish with the Aetos. Is it 5X better as it's list price is 5X as expensive? Nope. Since I got it on sale for only 3X the price of the Aetos, is it 3X better? Not even close. It is incrementally better.

There are a couple of rods that I own that are inferior, to me at least. I have a TFO that I just can't seem to get a good hook set with. There's also a Diamondback that is miserable for me to cast.

I have a few Redington Paths that I got for $54 that fish way above their price point in my opinion.

You'll get nicer components and build quality on more expensive rods but for pure performance you need to try them out. An inexpensive rod may be as good or better for you than one several times as expensive.
 
I doubt hardly anyone would gush over the rods I started out with when the high end for graphite was around $100...

I had two of those $100 rods in my quiver, they were the pinnacle at the time and they have 1000 times less bling than a $100 rod today.

I'm also pretty dang sure many folks would pass on some of my newer rods that cost 500+....

Bottom line as has already been said, what you get "for fishing mid price and up ($500+) rods" is absolutely nothing IF you don't like the rod...
 
The only rod I have that retails for more than $500 was gifted to me. I have cheap rods, and I fish cheap rods.

I'm looking to buy another rod soon actually because my favorite rod is wearing out and could break soon. I'm still not ready to drop $500 on a fly rod. Maybe I'll pay $300.

I don't think I'm missing much. I think the law of diminishing returns steps in, so to speak.
 
stop reading rod shootouts, ratings and reviews and you will learn two things, people are full of BS and cost is not a metric of anything. I’ll proudly fish the cheapies under 200 and leave the midrange and up rods to those who like to talk about rods.
 
stop reading rod shootouts, ratings and reviews and you will learn two things, people are full of BS and cost is not a metric of anything. I’ll proudly fish the cheapies under 200 and leave the midrange and up rods to those who like to talk about rods.
This is so true. People are full of BS. And, most people are extremely gullible and easily convinced of others' opinions whom they find "knowledgable" or "cool." Only you can decide what is worth it for you, and the only way you can do that is by test-casting or buying and fishing rods and seeing where the point of diminishing returns exists in your mind.

I will say this: Yes, throughout history prices have risen on goods due to this unstoppable force we call inflation. Our dollars degrade in value just a little more each and every day. But, the increasing technological advancements, manufacturing processes, and availability of high-quality rods for less money has far outpaced inflation over the decades. Anyone who implies that you currently cannot buy a "good rod" for anything less than $500 is either trying to sell you something, doesn't know what they are talking about, or so vain that it hurts their view and opinion of the world around them. You can buy plenty of high-quality and fishable rods for under $200, and I bet there are good rods that are even under $100.
 
What am I missing out on?
A made in the USA label and maybe a few grams less of weight.

Expensive rods are a luxury item and do not allow a good angler to do anything that they couldn't do if they had a limited budget. Most serious anglers are better served by owning 3 lower cost rods than one Helios or Centric or whatever. There are enough reputable brands selling rods in the lower cost ranges that no one should ever feel that they can't find a rod that suits them.
 
I believe that any rod at any price point is more than capable of catching fish. Rods in the 200-400 dollar range are typically really good fishing tools that will serve a lifetime if taken care of. That is usually my price range, although I will shell out 500 if I really like something.

HOWEVER, Broodstock let me cast his new H4 and I must say that I was very impressed. I have never actually cast a top of the line rod on the water before.
It was very light and what really impressed me was you could feel how straight it tracked when flexing and the recovery speed was something I've never felt in a rod before, it was almost non-existent. I've read those buzz words before and always thought it was a bunch of malarkey, but I realized what they meant with that rod.

So yeah, you definitely get improved performance at the top of the price point for fly rods. Is it worth the cost? If I fished more than the 30-40 days a year that I get out, it probably would be worth it. But I don't, so it's not.

I equate it to hockey sticks if you are familiar with that. I play adult beer league and I use 110.00 sticks, which is about as cheap as you can get for a name brand stick at the store. I have tried the 300.00+ sticks my teammates have during warmups. The engineering difference is very evident, and if I was playing hockey for a living I would definitely have them. But I am just not good enough to utilize that kind of stick, the extra cost is worthless to me.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I've spent money on guns that sit in the gun case, money on bows that hang on the wall. I'll fish 4-5 days a week from spring till fall and keep thinking of upgrading. My wife tells me "if you want it, get it", but I'm not sure the extra money spent will get me that much more than what I already have.

Steve
 
Orvis Recon, Loomis IMX-Pro, Scott Session, and Sage Sonic/Foundation are all mid-produced rods made in the USA. For me it’s worth a couple hundred $ more for that reason (and they are all great performing rods). It’s interesting that is not a bigger selling point for many on this forum.

$1000 rods are not mid-priced.
 
When my mother passed away a while back, she left my family a little money—not a life-changing amount, just enough to pay some bills. But she also set aside a smaller portion just for me and made it clear that I should spend it on myself. My wife agreed, so I took her advice.


With that money, I bought a Husqvarna 562XP (absolutely LOVE this saw) and a Scott Centric fly rod. The saw has been everything I hoped for, and the rod? Well, it’s fantastic—it casts beautifully and feels amazing in hand. But if I’m being honest, it’s only about 5-10% better than the one it replaced. Would I have spent $900 on it under normal circumstances? Probably not.


That said, I don’t regret it. Sometimes, it's nice to just appreciate something high-quality for what it is.
 
Other than casting different rods, I would also just try to stay away from the budget companies who design broomstick rods for show to get sales on instagram… we all know the brand(s) I’m talking about. I think echo makes fantastic rods in the “entry” category. The traverse is a sweet rod I have personally fished.
The key is finding a shop where you can cast their rods. Fewer and fewer such shops these days.
And of those inventories seem to be shrinking as well.

I remember going to Flyfisher's Paradise back in the day looking for a rod. Steve fixed up half a dozen rods and left me take them all out on the grass to try. Not many places do that anymore.
 
Several years ago I watched one of the regulars on this site casting from a distance. He didn’t know that I was watching him, but I marveled at his casts. Then saw him catch a fish. Soon after that he caught another. More than others that were fishing nearby.

Sometime later that day I talked to him and learned that his rod was shorter than I would have expected for that large river we were fishing, and it was an inexpensive rod. He knew the river well though and knew the fly that would catch fish that day. It was apparent that his casting ability, and knowledge of the best fly to use were more important than having an expensive fly rod.

I’m not going to try to influence anyone one way or the other about owning an expensive or an inexpensive fly rod; I own some of both, and I’m only a moderately good caster. I would recommend however that you examine any rod before buying it. Cast it, and if it feels good and casts well for you buy the best rod that you can afford AND feel comfortable with owning it. There’s a lot more to enjoying fishing than the amount of money that you spend for your fly fishing gear.

It’s a little off the subject, but I’m reminded of the time that I worked in Ferrari, and talked to the company’s warranty manager about some quality problems with the cars. He said “you don’t buy a Ferrari for the quality, you buy it for the mystique”. Or, another time when I was at one of the dealers who had a Rolls Royce on the showroom floor, and it was leaking oil on the floor. When I asked about the oil leak the sales manager said “Oh, they all leak oil.”

I suppose those expensive fly rods are in a way similar to those Ferrari’s and Rolls Royce’s. In part, you’re probably paying for some of their mystique, but over time you’ll find that they still have some quality problems regardless of what you pay to buy them.
 
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