Is it just me?

Maybe the true solution is to drop the creel limit and require that you keep what you catch. Ban catch and release cuz you guys are just taking up space that “real fisherman” could use. Or require that a stream section access pass be reserved online? I mean if we have so many anglers on the water we need some way to either reduce the congestion or make the fishing experience more like they want golf to be ….. hurry hurry, faster faster so that more people get to wet a line without disturbing yinz guys?

Yea, I AM JOKING. But do not think that someone out there isn’t trying to think of some way to implement and monetize some sort of system like what I described.
 
MJMFlyfisher said:
A couple weeks ago I was fishing a DHALO in the middle of a weekday afternoon and I literally couldn't see a person above me for at least 100yds to a bend and more than 200yds below me. I had the entire stretch to myself. It was glorious!
Knew it was too good to be true.....an "Older than me" fellow decked out fly fisherman pops out of the brush opposite of me ,and without even acknowledging my existence, literally wades 1/4 of the way out into the run I'm fishing almost directly across from me. 😕???
I said "Excuse me, are you seriously going to fish RIGHT HERE? There's a 1/4 mile of stream I can see without anyone fishing and you're gonna jump in right HERE (pointing at the water) ?"
(Somewhat politely I might add)
And immediately I get the all too familar PA canned response as if he was just waiting to use it....."I paid for my license ...
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I had a similar situation happen to me a few days before Father's Day a few years back at a well known local Class A section. In my situation the fly angler who was well beyond a kid, CLEARLY saw me because the stream is wide open. However, he waded in about 30 yards above me on the same side I was fishing as I was casting and wading upstream...

I abruptly and sloppily waded out of the creek right in front of him, went up on a bridge over the stream and threw rocks in the water right where he was fishing and wished him a Happy Father's Day...

So if anyone recounts that bad behavior story on this or another thread, that was ME and I make NO apologies for MY actions...

Happy Father's Day... 😉
 
hockeyref said:
Maybe the true solution is to drop the creel limit and require that you keep what you catch. Ban catch and release cuz you guys are just taking up space that “real fisherman” could use. Or require that a stream section access pass be reserved online? I mean if we have so many anglers on the water we need some way to either reduce the congestion or make the fishing experience more like they want golf to be ….. hurry hurry, faster faster so that more people get to wet a line without disturbing yinz guys?

Yea, I AM JOKING. But do not think that someone out there isn’t trying to think of some way to implement and monetize some sort of system like what I described.
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Dear hockeyref,

Aw jeez! If they weren't thinking about it, they are now thanks to you! 😉

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
 
Bamboozle said:
I had a similar situation happen to me a few days before Father's Day a few years back at a well known local Class A section. In my situation the fly angler who was well beyond a kid, CLEARLY saw me because the stream is wide open. However, he waded in about 30 yards above me on the same side I was fishing as I was casting and wading upstream...

I abruptly and sloppily waded out of the creek right in front of him, went up on a bridge over the stream and threw rocks in the water right where he was fishing and wished him a Happy Father's Day...

So if anyone recounts that bad behavior story on this or another thread, that was ME and I make NO apologies for MY actions...

Happy Father's Day... 😉
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Dear Bamboozle,

I was at the big pull off just above the No Sunday Fishing cabin section of BFC one day. I was suited up and taking my rod out of the back of my truck when a car skidded into the gravel and two dufuses jumped out and scrambled down the bank to assemble their rods.

It wasn't hail that pelted them, it was several handfuls of pea gravel. I made sure the pool would be unfishable for hours.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
 
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hockeyref said:
Maybe the true solution is to drop the creel limit and require that you keep what you catch. Ban catch and release cuz you guys are just taking up space that “real fisherman” could use. Or require that a stream section access pass be reserved online? I mean if we have so many anglers on the water we need some way to either reduce the congestion or make the fishing experience more like they want golf to be ….. hurry hurry, faster faster so that more people get to wet a line without disturbing yinz guys?

Yea, I AM JOKING. But do not think that someone out there isn’t trying to think of some way to implement and monetize some sort of system like what I described.
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You can always move to Germany or Switzerland where catch and release fishing is considered inhumane and is now banned. In Germany, the Animal Welfare Act states that "no-one may cause an animal pain, suffering or harm without good reason".

If nothing else before moving you could start some threads on DEFF or CHFF (DEutche Fly Fish or "Confoederatio Helvetica Fly Fish," (the Latin name for the Swiss Confederation) and ask them if they have the same issues... 😉
 
TimMurphy said:
Dear Bamboozle,

I was at the big pull off just above the No Sunday Fishing cabin section of BFC on day. I was suited up and taking my rod out of the back of my truck when a car skidded into the gravel and two dufuses jumped out and scrambled down the bank to assemble their rods.

It wasn't hail that pelted them, it was several handfuls of pea gravel. I made sure the pool would be unfishable for hours.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
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Another bad behavior event when I showed less restraint...

This also goes to prove, it ain't just trout fisherman on trout streams who can be a$$holes...

My wife (who was my GF at the time) & I were fishing Marshall's Creek not far below the village of Marshall's Creek for warmwater stuff. We were catching pickerel & sunnies on a nice summer's day, all by ourselves at a quiet pull-off.

All of sudden an adult and a kid show up and the kid comes over and is literally fishing two inches away from me and the wife to-be, crowding us off the small clearing where we were fishing.

After a minute or two...

I pushed the kid in the creek and threatened pop with the same... 😡

They both hightailed it, but figuring they would get the cops (this was before everybody had a cell phone or a camera in their phone), we left shortly thereafter.

If anyone on PAFF was that kid...

Tough $#!+ 😉
 
wildtrout2 said:
Neither do I, and I say that thankfully. I go out of my way to fish fairly remote, tough to access streams, to avoid the likelyhood of encountering other fishermen. IMO The solitude is a big part of the wild trout experience.

On three of my favorite streams, that I have collectively fished over 120+ times in 20+ years, I have seen 5 or 6 fishermen, total. I like that. I just pray the Lord continues to give me the good health and ability to get to them. 🙏
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I’ve actually kinda kept track of this brookie fishing. Low numbers make it easy.

25 years of brookie fishing, not quite, but almost daily some years. Ran into other fly fishermen 7 times. One is a weird poaching story for another day. One is a Vietnam war vet smoking a huge cigar catching and keeping his limit while talking to me. But the other five happen to be the same 2 old guys.

One guy said his name was B.H. and said he was a really old fish commission biologist. He was very informative and I talked to him for a long time both times I met him. Both times were about 2 miles from the access point and on two different streams. I was extremely surprised to see any one else there.

The other guy was 3 times and a very rich A.C. and he caught and restocked natives daily between creeks for 60-70 years, between all the Loyalsock creek tribs. He had 5……………8-9”ers alive on him the last day I saw him. In a small back pack, in a giant thermos (64oz +) with an aerator, while he was slowly feeding it ice cubes as he crawled along at a snails pace up stream. We were about 3 miles up in the middle of no where. He claimed to be about 85 years old last time I saw him. For brookies you need “Two females and three males” he said. “Dumped in the head waters, into one big hole.” Could “repopulate the entire headwaters to help counteract the drought damage” he said.
Haha brookie fishing is awesome! Never know what sort of character’s you might run into.

~5footfenwick
 
Broodstock said:
...Fish water that was written off as too warm or too polluted. You might not see anyone, and you might find what you are looking for - solitude.
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It would be great is someone made pack-able inflatable dead fish and inflatable fake 55 gallon drums that read, "Trichloroethylene, POISON."

You could take them to your local creek and spread them around to keep the other fisherman away... 😉
 
And the beginning of Gen X retiring. I am one of them! I think many of us came to realize that we wanted some super active years in our retirement. Big gains in retirement accounts helped.
 
FrankTroutAngler said:
Demographics. We are now near the tail-end of the Baby Boomers retiring. The result is a huge wave of Baby Boomers currently fishing on weekdays (and weekends).
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Dear Frank,

I certainly think that is a part of it.

One other thing to consider when people look at waters local to them are the increasing daily costs of living. Everything is more expensive, and I think that more people are staying closer to home more often. That in turn creates more traffic on local waters. Speaking only for myself I remember being able to leave upstate NY on a Friday, and drive to Central PA for the weekend. $ 150 covered fuel, a hotel room if I wanted one, and food. I could do 750 miles when diesel was $ .99 a gallon and still arrive home with enough fuel to survive the week. Today, those costs have easily tripled while most people's incomes probably haven't.

Regards,

Tim Murphy 🙂
 
hockeyref said:
Maybe the true solution is to drop the creel limit and require that you keep what you catch. Ban catch and release cuz you guys are just taking up space that “real fisherman” could use. Or require that a stream section access pass be reserved online? I mean if we have so many anglers on the water we need some way to either reduce the congestion or make the fishing experience more like they want golf to be ….. hurry hurry, faster faster so that more people get to wet a line without disturbing yinz guys?

Yea, I AM JOKING. But do not think that someone out there isn’t trying to think of some way to implement and monetize some sort of system like what I described.
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PLEASE DO NOT give politicians any more idiot ideas than they already have!
 
My general impression, for what it's worth, is that fly fishing and angling pressure in general on trout streams in my neck of the woods (SCPA) is significantly lighter that it was in the 80s/90s.

(A lot more saltwater FFers, and pressure on the bass rivers seems to me much higher.)
 
Bamboozle said:
You can always move to Germany or Switzerland where catch and release fishing is considered inhumane and is now banned. In Germany, the Animal Welfare Act states that "no-one may cause an animal pain, suffering or harm without good reason".

If nothing else before moving you could start some threads on DEFF or CHFF (DEutche Fly Fish or "Confoederatio Helvetica Fly Fish," (the Latin name for the Swiss Confederation) and ask them if they have the same issues... 😉
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Am I the only one who would like to cause idiots like that pain, suffering , and harm, with good reason? Be honest now!
 
I typically see less overall anglers now than I did in the 80's and 90's but a much higher % of them are fishing with fly gear be it traditional fly line, euro nymphing, or mono-rig.
I walk a lot and fish the B and C water often to avoid people cause the rudeness/clueless factor has gone up exponentially since I was taught etiquette as a kid.
 
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