Hackle

[bilg25]

Now im sure everyone knows about the fashion industry and how hackle is at a minimum in places but I have to ask if anyone has seen hackle/schlappen feathers that are still available that are long in the 10" to 14" range anywhere that aren't on ebay for a rediculous amount of cash? Thanks

 

[Ramcatt]

Anything with "saddle" in the name is getting bought up
10-14 is pretty long... schlappen is like 7 at most

Orivs packaged a "saltwater saddle" that is pretty webby, but mostly colored in pastels

check for a whiting flat-wing saddle... more of a wider/webby feather.. but last i checked they were 250+
I have one in purple with a lot of 10-14in

 

[Lonewolve]

Ramcatt,
I love schlappen it makes for great smaller speys and it comes in alot of natural colors as well as the rainbow.

 

[Ramcatt]

aggred...
a quick burn and its better than packaged "spey hackle" (burnt goose)


but i think the hackle use in this thread is for streamer bodies... profile and movement

 

[Lonewolve]

Ramcatt,
seems a bit wide for streamer profiles, wouldn't a Whiting American saddle or cape work far better,other forum i am a member of say that Whiting American hackle is the way to go ,or chinese saddles.I always thought larger buggers tied with schlappen also looked and fished great.

 

[Ramcatt]

Here is flat wing on 6/0 and 5/0

here is schlappen
on a double and 5/0s

the solid olive is schlappen and the grizzly is amix of saddle and cape

 

[Lonewolve]

Ramcatt
these for muskies?i was thinking for trout sorry, I was in Rangeley and a guy and i were chatting and fishing a pool togetehr he notices i have a wetfly wallet with felt pages in with streamers,so he pulls his out and shows me his streamers that he uses,he had streamers on the largest Carrie Stevens /Rangeley hooks i had ever seen was 1/0 or close to it they were all Grey Ghosts seven in a row like at formation at attention.I was shocked largest trout streamers/flies i had ever seen.these also remind me of the big intruder craze in steelheading right now.
Tight Wraps & Tight Lines
Rick Wallace

 

[bilg25]

Yeah the reason i was asking was for musky fly's. I have some of the 5" to 7" stuff but I have some nice long ones as well that I got that are easily in the 10" to 14" range if some of them not even longer. This trend needs to die in the fashion industry. We should start a rumor that people's hair is going to fall out if they use them or something! ha

And ramcat, what is the red grizzly hackl you have on that flatwing? Brand I mean?

 

[Ramcatt]

red is a hareline...
the rest of it is in chicks hair in Texas
if you are seeing something over 7 or 8... its not schlappen... must have been saddle hackle
not every saddle are the whispy ones
Metz makes a "magnum" grizzly saddle with the thicker nice long feathers



Rick
a lot of those musky/pike flies pull from the same design purpose as the "intruder style" fly... materials get stiffer and longer as you layer
I've had long convos about this...
a tear-drop shape that allows a vortex to liven long materials
hollow with a big profile
and yes... there is schlappen

 

[BPS]

ramcatt- lovin that last pic- SWEET!!!