Game commission allows fracking

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Not sure how to feel about this move? Positive or negative Game commission just approved fracking in the pine creek valley for land for gamelands in another area of state. Also notice water withdrawal from pine creek was just approved for two sites in the area. Commission receiving money from gas company as part of deal. Was this deal worth it? I need to do more research to decide. Hopefully this was done with all resources in mind.

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Floggingtrout said:
Not sure how to feel about this move? Positive or negative Game commission just approved fracking in the pine creek valley for land for gamelands in another area of state. Also notice water withdrawal from pine creek was just approved for two sites in the area. Commission receiving money from gas company as part of deal. Was this deal worth it? I need to do more research to decide. Hopefully this was done with all resources in mind.

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What are the odds of that??
 
From the press release its difficult to decipher if these are new leases or new? There are several well pads already on or nearby sgl75 and adjacent state forest land. Several other pads were cleared 5+ years ago but never developed further. Regardless the surrounding area has already been heavily developed by the gas industry. Take a look at aerial imagery and look at all the pads from salladasburg to Waterville and Gamble Run areas. It's worth keeping in mind that in many cases PGC and DCNR do not have control of the subsurface mineral rights for much of their acreage.

The land donations seem to be quite significant.
 
So what is the status of these lands now? And swapping one area for another hardly seems fair. What do the Pine Creek people say?
 
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Know this: More than half of the pgc's revenue comes from resource extraction. Only 1/4 of its income comes from license sales. To whom does it owe fealty?
 
I do not know anything about the specifics of the leases and agreements in question, but this is far from the first gas activity in the Pine Creek Watershed. From a gamelands perspective if there are no or few additional surface impacts, more royalty dollars and thousands of acres of additional property for public hunting and wildlife management it's a huge win. The Spring Creek watershed in Warren Co likely has value from an aquatic conservation perspective as well.
 
I don't know anything more than what I read. But why would we assume that lands that become game lands or even lands set aside by a conservancy would have been not conserved/destroyed? Were these areas that the gas industry has given up, open to hunting. The devil's in the details. If you are saving land that doesn't need saving, but impacting Pine Creek and the Hillsgrove area even more, it's a loss.
 
I thought there was a moratorium on fracking or was it on new leases?
 
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Were these areas that the gas industry has given up, open to hunting.
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Doesn't matter IMO. Even if they were, that does not promise public access in the long term. Transfer of the land to the game commission assures long term public access. I'd rather these lands be acquired before they need "saved."
 
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