Agreed...they spit the hook crazy fast. Also did very well on the Tully this year, espeacially in late winter and early spring. Fished a nymph called the Sugar Daddy (tco website) and let it sit in the back end of deep pools. Some of the carp had suprising size, loads of fun to catch, espeacially when you cant feel your hands and feet🙂 Good luck!