Dubbing question......

[Rolf]

When dubbing, when would you use a dropped loop technique or split thread/noodle twist/or pre-spun brush instead of simply adding it to the thread with your fingers? What is the advantage of doing it this way?

Thanks,
Rolf

 

[JG63]

I use the loop my go with flies I know will catch lots of fish (I.e. Shenk's minnow). Durability is enhanced in subsurface patterns. As for dries, traditional hackle gets beat up before the body of the fly. Compara-duns or sparkle emergers benefit from the loop methods too. Good Luck out there!

 

[Heritage-Angler]

Depends on the look you're trying to achieve.

For example, if you're trying to tie slender dry fly abdomens, a dubbing loop is a poor choice. Tightly twisted dubbing applied by hand is the way to go.

If you're looking for a "shaggy" look, then a dubbing loop or touch dubbing works well. A collar on a nymph pattern is a good example. The Shenk's minnow example given by JG is another one that I'd never attempt to tie without a loop.

Some dubbings work better with different methods, too. YMMV...

 

[just_jon]

I use the dubbing loops when I'm looking for a flattened profile. For me that means a cress bug and Shenk's white minnow.

 

[Rolf]

Thank you folks. Great explanation and that explains it perfectly. Now I just have to learn how to do it. Thank goodness for the videos from Hans W.

 

[J55tyger88]

Agreed on hans weilenmann videos. He splits 12/0 for his dubbing brush. Ive learned alot from his videos.

 

[Festus]

All good advice. I just happen to be tying Isonychias tonight using the dubbing loop method. I use this for March Browns and Iso nymphs. Poul Jorgenson employed the dubbing loop method in his nymphs to create a flat, segmented effect and it works well as does his blend recipes. Dave Rothrock has a method called overdubbing which I've never been able to master which works well to.

For me, this tool is invaluable and highly recommended.

 

[GenCon]

Nice looking ISO there.

GenCon

 

[GenCon]

whoops

 

[Festus]

Thanks GenCon. That is a conglomerate of three different tyers patterns combined into one bug that has been pretty effective for me. The blend is a Poul Jorgenson recipe. The overback is a Don Bastian pattern, and the thorax, wingcase and legs are Ol' Lefty's pattern. The only credit I take is for catching fish on them when other tried and true patterns failint:

 

[OldLefty]

Festus, your taking credit is well deserved. It's all about duping trout.

Dave R.

 

[Festus]

Thanks Dave.

 

[Festus]

Don't limit yourself to just twisted bodies. Dynamite and highly effective nymph thorax's can be made using the dubbed loop method as well!

 

[Festus]

Aw he11. One to many I reckonint:

 

[outsider]

Festus,

You tie mighty fine flies. I still have one pack left of Jorgenson's Iso nymph dubbing. IMHO, dead on.

 

[Festus]

Thanks Outsider. I to have a pack or two of Pouls dubbing left, but can't bring myself to using it. It's like an old friend. Fortunately I was lucky enough to secure a lifetime supply of baby seal back when it was still legal to sell and purchase, and that is what I use for Pouls nymph recipes.

 

[outsider]

Festus,

I bought my share of materials while it was still legal to purchase them. Sometimes I feel a little paranoid about mentioning them. I have 2 full copper pheasant skins, the best legging material for nymphs. Paid $1,75 per skin. I'll give up the feet and beaks for a reasonable price.

 

[Festus]

I'm not paranoid. I still have the receipts

 

[lv2nymph]

Rolf, if you haven't seen this it's worth a look.

http://ukflydressing.proboards.com/thread/4046

 

[Rolf]

lv2nymph wrote:
Rolf, if you haven't seen this it's worth a look.

http://ukflydressing.proboards.com/thread/4046

Thanks! What a great link, I appreciate it.