Contacting Extraterrestrials?

Perhaps the sounds are coming from the airport?
 
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pcray1231 wrote:
Chas. Warm-up/tuning routine that changes depending who the lead trumpet is. But 5 notes, from the same major, with at least one octave jump is the standard. Just like close encounters.

Frank, I believe you that it wasn't this. But, in the movie, the sound wasn't a synthesizer, but rather an orchestra. Classic John Williams stuff. Not sure if it was trumpets or some other horn.

Anyway, I most certainly believe there is intelligent life out there. A near mathematical certainty. That said, the chances they could communicate with Earth is remote. To visit would almost be prohibitive. Perhaps robots I guess.

But the cosmic speed limit is the speed of light. Our first radio broadcast was Hitler. It has only reached a few dozen other stars by now. If there is life around those stars and they returned a message, the number of stars from which we'd have received a response can be counted on your fingers. Biological beings can't even get to half that speed without being torn apart.

Hard to tell if intelligent life is around 1 in a billion stars or 1 in 1000. Either way the chances of having neighbors near enough to have a relationship with is slim.

And heck, 99% of the universe is millions of light years away. If they looked at us through telescopes, only like the 1% that are closest would see dinosaurs. The farthest ones wouldn't even see Earth yet.
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As far as it being highly improbable that intelligent life from other distant planets could contact us or travel to earth, I agree with you based on current known science, physics, biology, and whatever else. However, I believe there is a lot to still be learned and discovered. It could be argued that we are currently only in the infancy of learning about the mysteries of the universe.

Who's to say that we couldn't travel to a distant planet faster than the speed of light without going the speed of light? Maybe there is a shortcut? Maybe someday we'll discover a way to do this.

By the way, I know I couldn't win an argument about this. You have science on your side and you would win. I also know from your other posts, which are well thought out, thorough, and interesting, that you are either a highly intelligent individual or a master Googler, or both. I enjoy your posts.
 
FrankTroutAngler wrote:

As far as it being highly improbable that intelligent life from other distant planets could contact us or travel to earth, I agree with you based on current known science, physics, biology, and whatever else. However, I believe there is a lot to still be learned and discovered. It could be argued that we are currently only in the infancy of learning about the mysteries of the universe.

Who's to say that we couldn't travel to a distant planet faster than the speed of light without going the speed of light? Maybe there is a shortcut? Maybe someday we'll discover a way to do this.
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This is the sort of thing I was wondering. Like what is a black hole, where does it go? Could it be a shortcut to somewhere else? Could there be other dimensions we aren't even aware of?
 
lmao
 
is there a master plan,planer or is it all random inevitablities ,heck I don't know,I can't even spell the word let alone envision the possibilities...
 
Could the Benner Springs hatchery be using the sounds as a means to keep birds away from the hatchery?
 
wow, an intelligent life form reply on this forum--Salute you ,salmonoid.
 
salmonoid wrote:
Could the Benner Springs hatchery be using the sounds as a means to keep birds away from the hatchery?
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We can rule that out. I was fishing right beside the hatchery when I heard it.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8rUZfQJjPY

You mean like this? GG
 
Frank, I have a physics degree.

Pocketwater, a black hole is an object. It's not wrong to think of them like any other object in space, like a star. They are merely so massive and dense that the pull of gravity is very high. High enough that the escape velocity is higher than the speed of light, hence, no light escapes, and it is black. And since NOTHING travels faster than light, nothing can escape. As such, we can treat it as a hole. More than that, if you fell in, as you accelerate toward a seeming splat on the objects surface, once you approach the speed of light time itself slows, and space itself grows. When you reach the speed of light time stops and space is infinite. Other than the fact that forces would tear apart every atom in your body before you got to that speed, if you were able to somehow remain alert, time would seem to be normal to you. But you wouldn't make any headway towards that solid surface. It's infinitely far away. If someone from outside were to be able to observe you (they can't), you'd be frozen in time. If they could read your wristwatch, billions of years would pass for them and not a second would pass on that watch, and no, it's not broken. You are destined to go splat on the solid surface. That's what you are heading toward and nothing can save you from it. But you will never actually get there. To you the distance to it is infinite. To everyone else you are frozen in time.

So if you never reach the object at the center, is there one? Well, we know it adds mass like a normal object. If a pound of stuff goes past the event horizon, the black hole is a pound heavier in all manners in which it interacts with the outside world. What is the actual objects radius? We know it's smaller than the event horizon. But we can't observe anything inside. No information escapes. So we don't know. We can't know. Mathematically we can treat it like a point, because mathematically it doesn't make a difference whether its diameter is zero or millions of miles across. The effect on the outside world is the same either way.

My honest pet theory, not really backed up by science but not denied by it either, is that the big bang was an exploding supermassive black hole. So our entire universe, all the mass and energy and even space itself was what was tied up in one. There may well be other universes. And it may be cyclic. I.e. the universe is expanding still. But at a decreasing rate. Like what happens as things get further from an explosion. Perhaps it will eventually begin to contract again, till it all gets locked back up in a black hole. When the limits of space become smaller than the object itself, another bang....

As for more normal sized black holes there is a large one at the center of virtually all galaxies, including ours, and that's basically certain. There are likely many more, smaller ones rotating around them, but they are much harder to see and prove.
 
Pcray....that is insane.
 
makes sense to me---PCRAY usually does-wondering where he's been.lol
 
pcray1231 wrote:
Frank, I have a physics degree.

Pocketwater, a black hole is an object. It's not wrong to think of them like any other object in space, like a star. They are merely so massive and dense that the pull of gravity is very high. High enough that the escape velocity is higher than the speed of light, hence, no light escapes, and it is black. And since NOTHING travels faster than light, nothing can escape. As such, we can treat it as a hole. More than that, if you fell in, as you accelerate toward a seeming splat on the objects surface, once you approach the speed of light time itself slows, and space itself grows. When you reach the speed of light time stops and space is infinite. Other than the fact that forces would tear apart every atom in your body before you got to that speed, if you were able to somehow remain alert, time would seem to be normal to you. But you wouldn't make any headway towards that solid surface. It's infinitely far away. If someone from outside were to be able to observe you (they can't), you'd be frozen in time. If they could read your wristwatch, billions of years would pass for them and not a second would pass on that watch, and no, it's not broken. You are destined to go splat on the solid surface. That's what you are heading toward and nothing can save you from it. But you will never actually get there. To you the distance to it is infinite. To everyone else you are frozen in time.

So if you never reach the object at the center, is there one? Well, we know it adds mass like a normal object. If a pound of stuff goes past the event horizon, the black hole is a pound heavier in all manners in which it interacts with the outside world. What is the actual objects radius? We know it's smaller than the event horizon. But we can't observe anything inside. No information escapes. So we don't know. We can't know. Mathematically we can treat it like a point, because mathematically it doesn't make a difference whether its diameter is zero or millions of miles across. The effect on the outside world is the same either way.

My honest pet theory, not really backed up by science but not denied by it either, is that the big bang was an exploding supermassive black hole. So our entire universe, all the mass and energy and even space itself was what was tied up in one. There may well be other universes. And it may be cyclic. I.e. the universe is expanding still. But at a decreasing rate. Like what happens as things get further from an explosion. Perhaps it will eventually begin to contract again, till it all gets locked back up in a black hole. When the limits of space become smaller than the object itself, another bang....

As for more normal sized black holes there is a large one at the center of virtually all galaxies, including ours, and that's basically certain. There are likely many more, smaller ones rotating around them, but they are much harder to see and prove.
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Pcray went DEEP.
 
It sounds like Washington,DC ,a black space that sucks? GG
 
pcray can rock the party hard
 
I did go deep, but apparently nobody was down there.
 
One important mistake that Pat made is; it's been observed that the farther objects away from earth are moving away at an ever increasing speed, that's been calculated as greater than the speed of light. It is not known what is causing this. This was determined when cosmologists were looking a what they though was a large area where there were no visible object, this on the new deep space telescope. They found billions of objects and galaxies in this area of space thought to be empty.
Otherwise an excellent description of a Black Hole.
 
FrankTroutAngler wrote:
pcray1231 wrote:
Chas. Warm-up/tuning routine that changes depending who the lead trumpet is. But 5 notes, from the same major, with at least one octave jump is the standard. Just like close encounters.

Frank, I believe you that it wasn't this. But, in the movie, the sound wasn't a synthesizer, but rather an orchestra. Classic John Williams stuff. Not sure if it was trumpets or some other horn.

Anyway, I most certainly believe there is intelligent life out there. A near mathematical certainty. That said, the chances they could communicate with Earth is remote. To visit would almost be prohibitive. Perhaps robots I guess.

But the cosmic speed limit is the speed of light. Our first radio broadcast was Hitler. It has only reached a few dozen other stars by now. If there is life around those stars and they returned a message, the number of stars from which we'd have received a response can be counted on your fingers. Biological beings can't even get to half that speed without being torn apart.

Hard to tell if intelligent life is around 1 in a billion stars or 1 in 1000. Either way the chances of having neighbors near enough to have a relationship with is slim.

And heck, 99% of the universe is millions of light years away. If they looked at us through telescopes, only like the 1% that are closest would see dinosaurs. The farthest ones wouldn't even see Earth yet.
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As far as it being highly improbable that intelligent life from other distant planets could contact us or travel to earth, I agree with you based on current known science, physics, biology, and whatever else. However, I believe there is a lot to still be learned and discovered. It could be argued that we are currently only in the infancy of learning about the mysteries of the universe.

Who's to say that we couldn't travel to a distant planet faster than the speed of light without going the speed of light? Maybe there is a shortcut? Maybe someday we'll discover a way to do this.

By the way, I know I couldn't win an argument about this. You have science on your side and you would win. I also know from your other posts, which are well thought out, thorough, and interesting, that you are either a highly intelligent individual or a master Googler, or both. I enjoy your posts.
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It is theorized that worm holes may allow us to visit distant planets not in our solar system or even in our galaxy, we probably won't know this in our lifetimes.
 
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