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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/million-gallon-waste-spill-turns-colorado-river-orange_55c41cfbe4b0d9b743dbb00c?kvcommref=mostpopular

Were these trout waters?

"No threat to drinking water." Then he advises to not drink the water...
 
The article says there were no fish in the river due to the mine drainage. Still, just goes to show that all the best intentions in the world can't prevent disasters.
 
While I'm basically with you on coal, this was apparently an old gold mine, unused for decades. http://www.denverpost.com/environment/ci_28595759/animas-river-contaminated-by-1-million-gallons-contaminated

Most detailed explanation I've yet read on what happened http://www.kunc.org/post/why-was-environmental-protection-agency-messing-mine-above-silverton

Mine waste of many types is typically one of the most difficult types of contamination to deal with, of course, because there's no way that a toxic element (i.e., lead, cadmium, mercury) can break down into something less poisonous. The acid wastewater associated with old mines or tailings ponds is unfortunately quite efficient at dissolving toxic metals in soil, which concentrates the problem- and then mobilizes it, unless it's held in containment. Since water typically proves to be difficult to stop from running downhill, incidents like these are a constant risk for any containment impoundment.

The acid wastewater is a problem in itself, of course- although because it's a chemical in solution and not an element, at least that problem can be neutralized to some extent through balancing it out with alkaline materials like limestone. Fortunately, the Animas River basin is apparently quite alkaline- so much so that even this spill only manages to lower the pH of the river to 5.8, from 7.8. That's acidic, but only slightly so.

The spill began on Cement Creek, a tributary so impaired that it's fishless. But there are fish- trout, in fact- in the Animas River. Many of them, apparently- it's a Colorado Gold Medal stream.

The reason the EPA was there in the first place was to try to control the impairment of the larger watershed by continuing leakage from pooled water in the old mines- much the same as they've been involved with the MDE in remediating the North Branch of the Potomac and the Savage River in Maryland. Obviously, sometimes this can get tricky.

Although the Animas River is a Gold Medal trout stream, popular river rafting destination, and even a supplemental drinking water source for the region around Durango, parts of the riverbed retain high concentrations of toxic metals like lead. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/ofr-97-0151/images/fig20.gif http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/ofr-97-0151/html/stpmw08.shtml That explains the interest of the EPA in addressing the problems of pollution sources like Cement Creek- especially the drinking water thing. Don't let anyone snow you; the US EPA was trying to keep a real problem from getting worse. The crew just made a mistake. (Would people try to snow you about this? Read some of the comments on this well-reported article in the Durango (CO.) Herald http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150806/NEWS01/150809765/River-users-warned-of-mine-waste- )

The spill was estimated as 1 million gallons (for the sake of the EPA, whose aims I support, I hope that isn't an underestimate.) One million gallons sounds like a lot of water, but it's a relative thing. It's about 1 1/3 Olympic swimming pools worth- 133680 cubic feet. The Animas River pushes that volume of water in about 10 minutes in Silverton, near the top of its course where the spill occurred. http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?09359020

Apparently, the technical term for a sudden discharge like this is a "pulse"- the water will be flowing through in a concentrated slug, getting more diluted as the rivercourse gets larger along its 120-odd mile length below the spill, to where the Animas eventually meets the San Juan River main stem. The SJ is in turn a tributary of the Colorado.

The real question is how high the concentration of toxics is. Most of the material is sediment, which is plenty poisonous to fish gills, and as riverbottom smothering silt. That's bad, but most of that habitat damage will be cleared up in a few seasons. Hopefully the more long-lasting problems with toxic metals are less severe. Too early to tell.

 
barbless wrote:

Although the Animas River is a Gold Medal trout stream, popular river rafting destination, and even a supplemental drinking water source for the region around Durango, parts of the riverbed retain high concentrations of toxic metals like lead. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/ofr-97-0151/images/fig20.gif http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/ofr-97-0151/html/stpmw08.shtml That explains the interest of the EPA in addressing the problems of pollution sources like Cement Creek- especially the drinking water thing.

Don't let anyone snow you; the US EPA was trying to keep a real problem from getting worse. The crew just made a mistake. (Would people try to snow you about this? Read some of the comments on this well-reported article in the Durango (CO.) Herald http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150806/NEWS01/150809765/River-users-warned-of-mine-waste- )

It's amazing how much of the writing and commentary blames the EPA for the pollution.

Without making it clear that the water was polluted by the MINING.


 
There are or were fish in the contaminated part of the river. According to Wikipedia:

The Animas is a freestone fishery well populated with rainbow, brown, Colorado River cutthroat, and brook trout. It is considered a gold medal fishery above Rivera Bridge Crossing in Colorado. Recreational fishing with artificial lures and flies on the Animas is available year-round due to moderate winter weather. Insect hatches of aquatic diptera and mayflies occur in the winter and spring months. In late spring, summer and through fall the Animas sees caddisfly and mayfly hatches as well as terrestrials such as grasshoppers. Animas trout average 12 to 16 inches (30 to 41 cm). Larger trout in the 17 to 22 inches (43 to 56 cm) are occasionally caught by anglers. Brown trout as large as 36 inches (91 cm) have been caught in the Animas.

The Rivera Bridge Crossing is near Durango. I can't get the map to load so here's a link to it:

Denver Post - EPA's Colorado mine disaster plume flows west toward Grand Canyon

 
The EPA revised their I million gallon estimate 300% to 3 million.

The Environmental Protection Agency said the amount of contaminated water that leaked from the Gold King Mine into the Animas River, turning the water a mucky orange and then yellow, is three times larger than its initial estimate.

Rather than the 1 million gallons originally announced, the EPA now says that 3 million gallons of wastewater spilled Wednesday and Thursday. The revision came after the EPA used a stream gauge from the U.S. Geological Survey.

http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2015/08/10/mgk-colorado-mine-spill-larger-than-thought/#.Vckv6Ur3arU
 
UncleShorty wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/million-gallon-waste-spill-turns-colorado-river-orange_55c41cfbe4b0d9b743dbb00c?kvcommref=mostpopular

Were these trout waters?

"No threat to drinking water." Then he advises to not drink the water...
Hey, don't let the pesky fact that it was actually an abandoned GOLD mine stop ya! :lol: :lol:
 
haha, yeah.

I'm not exactly friendly towards coal, overall. But the title of this thread just doesn't seem to fit. At all. There's nothing related to coal here.

Anyway, ashame about the accident. Hopefully the damage isn't too permanent.
 
RyanR wrote:
UncleShorty wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/million-gallon-waste-spill-turns-colorado-river-orange_55c41cfbe4b0d9b743dbb00c?kvcommref=mostpopular

Were these trout waters?

"No threat to drinking water." Then he advises to not drink the water...
Hey, don't let the pesky fact that it was actually an abandoned GOLD mine stop ya! :lol: :lol:

Yea, I think in original, it said no threat to drinking water, but keep you livestock away from it. :roll:
 
http://earthjustice.org/blog/2013-november/the-insanity-of-pennsylvania-coal-ash

 
troutbert wrote:
barbless wrote:

Although the Animas River is a Gold Medal trout stream, popular river rafting destination, and even a supplemental drinking water source for the region around Durango, parts of the riverbed retain high concentrations of toxic metals like lead. http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/ofr-97-0151/images/fig20.gif http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/ofr-97-0151/html/stpmw08.shtml That explains the interest of the EPA in addressing the problems of pollution sources like Cement Creek- especially the drinking water thing.

Don't let anyone snow you; the US EPA was trying to keep a real problem from getting worse. The crew just made a mistake. (Would people try to snow you about this? Read some of the comments on this well-reported article in the Durango (CO.) Herald http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20150806/NEWS01/150809765/River-users-warned-of-mine-waste- )

It's amazing how much of the writing and commentary blames the EPA for the pollution.

Without making it clear that the water was polluted by the MINING.

I haven't read all the links, but I don't find it amazing, or agree with you on this. The ones I did read made it abundantly clear that the pollution is from a gold mine which hadn't been worked in over 100 years, long before regulations were in place.

It also made clear that the spill was caused by the EPA.

Buried in some of these articles, it sounds like the EPA had been studding seepage from this mine and last year they suspended the study and plugged it. Recently they decided to re-open it to study it some more. Apparently it was already seeping again (evidenced by EPA personnel already there and studying it). While digging out the plug, it blew out and released several months worth of effluent all at once compounded by additional erosion of contaminated material.

Yep, EPA made it worse, much worse.I'd love to give the EPA a pass on this and blame dead people, but it is fairly clear to me the EPA should have been more careful. Hopefully they will learn from this and take more precautions in the future because there are many other locations in the Rockies that have similar problems. Some with even greater potential of disaster.
 
FD,

Agree on all points, but find it a bit disingenuous to claim they were "studying" it. They were working on remediating it, as they had done in other similar situations in that area.

An on-site crew simply screwed up. That's all. It's a tragedy. I'm not all that interested in the blame game.
 
pcray1231 wrote:
FD,

Agree on all points, but find it a bit disingenuous to claim they were "studying" it. They were working on remediating it, as they had done in other similar situations in that area.

An on-site crew simply screwed up. That's all. It's a tragedy. I'm not all that interested in the blame game.

You are right, and it did appear to be disingenuous. But it was unintentional.

I'm sure I originally typed that they were studying for the final goal of remediation. Something along those lines. But must have deleted it while editing to shorten it.

Sorry about that.

There intentions were quite good, but someone screwed up.

I'm not interested in playing the blame game either, especially since those to blame have been dead for quite awhile now.
 
Friends who live in Durango said the spill wasn't as bad as it looked.fwiw .GG
 
Has there been a fish kill? I did an internet search of "Animas River fish kill" and found quotes of people predicting a fish kill.

But no reports of a fish kill.
 
None that I saw,fish kill,that is. GG
 
According to what I've read, 108 trout were put in cages to test the water, and only one turned up dead after 24 hours, which is well within the statistical norm for that procedure. So no big problem in that regard.

The spill amounted to the equivalent of about five Olympic swimming pools worth of contaminated wastewater. It made for a nasty dye, but most of the sediment content responsible for that was iron, which is a relatively non-toxic metal. The spill was estimated to have released the equivalent of six months of the toxic metal contaminants that were already slowly leaching into the river from the site on a daily basis.

fwiw, the spill wasn't caused by EPA personnel. The EPA funds projects like these, but they hire private industry contractors to carry them out. I realize that this gets in the way of the mythical political narrative of EPA Wildlife Poetry majors running amok with bulldozers, but the Animas River project was contracted to Environmental Restoration LLC, a professional outfit that's been involved in many other projects for the EPA over the years. If their offical website is to be believed, ER LLC has quite a formidable track record:

"Since 1997, Environmental Restoration LLC has performed over 5000 hazardous waste removal actions, ranging from simple drum removal to large scale remediation projects for contaminated residential properties, mine reclamation actions or abandoned manufacturing facilities, requiring removal or treatment for thousands of tons of contaminated soil or contaminants. During this same period of time, ER has grown from one office location, our corporate headquarters in St. Louis, to 20 regional office strategically located across the country.

Our hazardous waste removal, response and remediation projects include completing over 1500 Task Orders for the USEPA Emergency and Rapid Response Services (ERRS) program and other government agencies and approximately 4500 time critical response actions for government and commercial clients." http://www.erllc.com/company-experience.php

Environmental Restoration LLC has private industry contracts, too. Among other projects handled by ER in recent years is the 2010 Kalamazoo River tar oil pipeline spill, a story that deserved a lot more attention than it got, since the effects of that leak- an estimated 840,000 gallons, mostly asphalt-like bitumen tar oil- make the recent Animas River spill insignificant in comparison. http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/11/2010_oil_spill_cost_enbridge_1.html (also follow "related stories" at bottom of link)

I note that some people are now insinuating a coverup by the EPA in regard to the identity of their contractor. http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/12/epa-contractor-behind-co-mine-spill-got-381-million-from-taxpayer/

Which I find ironic, since ER LLC themselves has quite open about their history of EPA contract work on their website. The contracts whose client identities are concealed as "confidential"- likely by legally binding clauses- would appear to be from the private sector. http://www.erllc.com/project.php?c=9&p=23
(Easy enough to guess the principal client in that one, though: Enbridge, owner of the broken pipeline and dauntless leader in Canadian tar sands oil extraction. But EPA is bad becuz government, etc...)
 
Good response barbless, and for the record, I admit I failed to mention that it was EPA contractors. I also don't think EPA is bad in general. I was mostly just arguing with Troutbert's unsubstantiated claim of widespread omission of the source of the pollution.

In my digging around I found that there is evidence that the Sunnyside mine may actually be causing the flooding in that mine as well as other mines in the area.

Sunnyside is the one who years back was mining 90 feet below a lake when it broke through and flooded the mine. Many dams were built inside the mine to hold back water. Billions of gallons. You can't hold it all back forever in a place like that. It gunna find a way out.
 
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EPA Pollutes River, Fails To Notify New Mexico

BY JOHN MERLINE

08/07/2015 12:33 PM ET

Imagine if a business dumped a million gallons of mine waste into Animas River in Colorado, turning it into what looked like Tang, forcing the sheriff's office to close the river to recreational users, and prompting the EPA to warn farmers to shut off water intakes along the river.

Oh, and imagine that the business also failed to warn officials in downstream New Mexico about the spill.

Such a calamity would probably lead the nightly news, with calls from environmentalists and the EPA for investigations, fines, lawsuits, and tougher pollution controls.

Except in this case it's the EPA itself that is to blame.
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That's from the website of Investors Business Daily, which is a prominent business publication that's been around a long time.
 
"Many dams were built inside the mine to hold back water. Billions of gallons. You can't hold it all back forever in a place like that. It gunna find a way out."

I agree. The challenges associated with lessening the harm from this sort of waste are huge. I think we're fortunate that more accidental breaches and toxic releases like this one haven't happened. Meanwhile, there's a steady, unrelenting drip, drip, drip of toxic waste into the watersheds. It's a very tough situation.
I don't blame the miners of the late 19-early 20th century for going after minerals everywhere they found them. But the ongoing problems like this are an eloquent argument against situating any more massive mining operations near sensitive watersheds, such as Pebble Mine, which is still being pursued by Hunter Dickinson/Northern Dynasty to extract gold and copper.
Gold is not a strategic mineral. There's more than enough available for industrial purposes, and many other places to obtain it. Gold is primarily lucre. And there's no shortage of copper- which increasingly utilizes recycling to provide an ongoing supply.
 
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