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Protect Clean Water: Contact Your Senator!
This week, the Pennsylvania State Senate is likely to vote on a bill (SB 619) that would make it easier to pollute our waters. This bill would cut back existing regulations, fundamentally changing water protection in Pennsylvania.

Senate Bill 619 seeks to amend the Clean Streams Law - enacted in 1937 to protect Pennsylvania’s abundant water resources - to exclude from its definition of “pollution” any “accidental discharge, spill or release that does not cause a violation of” a limited list of 15 water quality criteria, such as temperature, color, and bacteria.

Take action now to tell your state senator: “Stop this senseless attack on Pennsylvania’s waters and put community interests before industry profit!”

Pennsylvania’s waters are an invaluable resource for drinking water and recreation, and bring significant economic value. We can’t afford the impact that redefining “pollution” and weaker protections would have on our water.


Contact your State Senator here.
 
Yo Tom

Thanks for this super easy link to address this important issue. I posted this to FB.

 


I oppose this,

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html
 
And let us not forget this:

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/319938-trump-signs-bill-undoing-obama-coal-mining-rule
 
Hey, take it easy folks.

Take some time to check out afish's link. . . and then follow up with whatever comments, for or against, that you personally feel are appropriate.

To the extent that it reflects larger political matters, please keep in mind we're FFing friends and non-political around here.
 
Done. Thanks for the link!
 
Done. I hope my local senator votes against this potentially harmful state legislation.
 
Here is the actual bill SB 619

Read it yourself and don't immediately jump to conclusions

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2019&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0619&pn=0857
 
environmental issues are typically political issues.
 

You're not really suggesting that people EDUCATE themselves now, are you? :-o

Mwheaps32 wrote:
Here is the actual bill SB 619

Read it yourself and don't immediately jump to conclusions

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2019&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0619&pn=0857
 
Mwheaps32 wrote:
Here is the actual bill SB 619

Read it yourself and don't immediately jump to conclusions

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2019&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0619&pn=0857

Thanks for the link. I read the bill. It is certainly beneficial to read the actual bill.
 
SB619 is opposed by the organizations that have been created to protect PA Streams and rivers among other things:

PA Trout Unlimited

The PA Environmental Council > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rkw0y4Dz48JR3E1qSY8cofmAOp-Fgzyy/view

Penn Future > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mxIU1k8tGk9O2b80TXoNygwRQBZ3oWXP/view

PA Sierra Club

Plus the enforcement by the PA DEP and PAFBC for keeping our waters clean by all accounts would be diminished by passage of the bill.

I believe we should be all here to protect and make our stream and rivers better in PA as well as to talk fly-fishing.

 
ColdBore wrote:

You're not really suggesting that people EDUCATE themselves now, are you? :-o

Mwheaps32 wrote:
Here is the actual bill SB 619

Read it yourself and don't immediately jump to conclusions

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2019&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0619&pn=0857

No way. Just plaster the headline all over your Facebook, call the president a douche, declare yourself a friend of the environment and tell everybody your a better sportsman then they because you contacted your senator about an issue you haven't a clue about. Education is so overrated.
 
poopdeck wrote:
ColdBore wrote:

You're not really suggesting that people EDUCATE themselves now, are you? :-o

Mwheaps32 wrote:
Here is the actual bill SB 619

Read it yourself and don't immediately jump to conclusions

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2019&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0619&pn=0857

No way. Just plaster the headline all over your Facebook, call the president a douche, declare yourself a friend of the environment and tell everybody your a better sportsman then they because you contacted your senator about an issue you haven't a clue about. Education is so overrated.

Assuming everyone has no idea about the bill and is ignorant on the subject is easy too. I've read the bill itself, it's only a few paragraphs added the original clean water bill from 1937, and have read what many believe the ramifications are with it's passage.

Educate me. What does this bill do to help PA streams or more broadly PA citizens? Why are the PA conservation organizations opposed to it? Why should I support it?
 
poopdeck wrote:
ColdBore wrote:

You're not really suggesting that people EDUCATE themselves now, are you? :-o

Mwheaps32 wrote:
Here is the actual bill SB 619

Read it yourself and don't immediately jump to conclusions

https://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2019&sessInd=0&billBody=S&billTyp=B&billNbr=0619&pn=0857

No way. Just plaster the headline all over your Facebook, call the president a douche, declare yourself a friend of the environment and tell everybody your a better sportsman then they because you contacted your senator about an issue you haven't a clue about. Education is so overrated.

I agree poopdeck and Coldbore. Mwheaps, thanks for the link.

I read the bill, and I ignored the opinion links. I see nothing wrong with defining terms in a law, or giving quantitative value to an infraction, which is what the new proposal states. The proposed bill still states "harmful to wildlife and fish" and leaves the dep in charge of that determination. The way I see it this change keeps the law from potential abuse of power.



 
Yes this bill is mostly administrative in nature, ie reporting. It does zilch to increase or decrease protection of the environment. As with most legislation, things are moving more in the direction of "risk based" . By tying pollution to a quantitative standard based on risk is an intelligent and cost effective means of protection. Dont worry if there is a fish kill or degradation of the resource, PADEP PaFBC, or,the local conservation unit will be responding. If a polluter did not report what should have been, he will answér for it. Twice.
 

There is a really good reason why TU, Penn Future, and the Sierra Club are against the passing of the bill. All spills should continue to be reported to the DEP for their evaluation and not rely company or individual responsible for the spill.

Changing Spill Reporting Requirements/Redefining Pollution: Senate Bill 619 (Yaw-R- Lycoming) makes fundamental changes to the definition of water pollution under the state Clean Streams Law to require an individual or company who causes pollution to surface or groundwater to determine if it should be reported to DEP and whether it is pollution in the first place.
The law now says, “contamination of any waters of the Commonwealth such as will create or is likely to create a nuisance or to render such waters harmful, detrimental or injurious to public health, safety or welfare, or to domestic, municipal, commercial, industrial, agricultural, recreational, or other legitimate beneficial uses, or to livestock, wild animals, birds, fish or other aquatic life.”
And it is DEP that determines whether a discharge constitutes pollution. The bill shifts the responsibility to make the determination if a spill or discharge causes pollution to the person causing the spill.
The bill also says spills and contamination to groundwater don’t even need to be reported to DEP, NOT when they “create a danger of pollution of the waters, or would damage property,” as in the current regulations, but rather only when--
-- The individual or company first makes a determination the spill violates a specific, numeric surface water quality criteria under DEP’s regulations; or
-- If it exceeds federal reporting requirements (1,000 gallons in any one incident or 42 gallons in each of 2 discharges) and only after they take into account the steps they have taken to control or remediate the impact of the spill; and
-- Only after taking into account any control and remedial measures they have taken.
There are very few numeric water quality standards in DEP’s regulations because judgments are made based on whether pollution harms people, aquatic life or the environment.
Under the change in definition of pollution in this bill, neither DEP nor the Fish and Boat Commission could require the cleanup of a spill, require the company to fix the problem that caused a spill or take other enforcement actions like assessing penalties or natural resource damages against an individual or company unless a spill violated the “numeric water quality criteria under DEP’s regulations.
If a spill temporarily or irreparably harmed aquatic life, temporarily or permanently prevented a stream or river from being used according to its designated use, without violating a numeric standard, neither DEP nor the Fish and Boat Commission could take any action.
Importantly, the new language would also rule out taking any action against anyone causing a spill that affected groundwater and not surface water, if the spill did not violate a numeric water quality criteria in Chapter 93.
The practical realities of making a determination if numeric water quality standards were violated during a spill emergency under this bill would require a company or individual to--
-- Know the precise chemical composition of the material being spilled and the amount and if it isn’t known, to take, analyze and report those results [getting test results in an emergency timeframe would not be possible and even the amounts are frequently not know at the time of a spill, especially to groundwater];
-- Know the classification, designated use and any special numeric water quality standards in place at the precise point the spill would enter a surface water [possible, but unlikely, especially in circumstances where a spill happens from a tank truck, pipeline or similar sources]; and
-- Taking, analyzing and reporting the results of water samples upstream, at the point of the spill and downstream of the spill to determine if the a numeric standard was violated at the exact time of the spill [not something that can be accomplished during an emergency caused by a spill].
Likewise, if DEP or the Fish and Boat Commission wanted to take any compliance or enforcement action for a spill with the change in definition of pollution proposed in Senate Bill 619, they would have to prove a numeric water quality standard was violated at the exact time of the spill, which would not be possible after the fact.
The sweeping changes made by Senate Bill 619 would fundamentally change the how Pennsylvania’s surface and groundwater is protected from pollution, significantly restrict the ability of DEP and the Fish and Boat Commission from taking action to require the cleanup and prevention of spills and to assess penalties and to the requirements for reporting spills.
The bill was amended with a minor change. Click Here for more. Click Here for the vote in Committee. (when posted)
Opposition
The PA Environmental Council opposed Senate Bill 619 saying, “These sweeping changes made by Senate Bill 619 would fundamentally change how Pennsylvania’s surface and groundwater is protected from pollution, significantly restrict the ability of DEP and the Fish and Boat Commission from taking action to require the cleanup and prevention of spills and to assess penalties, and to the requirements for reporting spills.”
PennFuture also sent a letter to Committee members saying, “We urge you to strongly oppose this dangerous bill that would allow for our waters we use for drinking and recreation to be polluted without the knowledge of the Department of Environmental Protection and the Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission, which use the current definition of pollution to address water quality in the Commonwealth. This bill would fundamentally change water protection in Pennsylvania.”
 
Tigereye wrote:
Yes this bill is mostly administrative in nature, ie reporting. It does zilch to increase or decrease protection of the environment. As with most legislation, things are moving more in the direction of "risk based" . By tying pollution to a quantitative standard based on risk is an intelligent and cost effective means of protection. Dont worry if there is a fish kill or degradation of the resource, PADEP PaFBC, or,the local conservation unit will be responding. If a polluter did not report what should have been, he will answér for it. Twice.

I'd even venture to say that some of the folks at DEP hope this passes . I've heard there already understaffed in many departments and this would probably help streamline the administrative details of accidental small spills. I agree with tigereye don't expect any noticable changes if this passes and I doubt it will pass anyway.
 
Anything that Scarnati is for - you can bet it’s bad for the environment and a money grab.
 
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