Thanks for helping me out folks............specially you Crotalus , here's what i'm gonna do , gonna buy a couple at Gander mtn , check out how they look and work , then if I like em , i'll take the plunge , us ol farts tend to take a long time to accept new fangled stuff , what usually happens is that we wait till some time passes and if the product is still around and being talked about we'll try it , I guess I reached a comfort zone where what works is fine and you can have enough confidence in whatever it is that you don't really have to use anything new , but for me the fun of finding out something new , learning something , havin a plan come together has it's own thrill , part of the whole package that makes this pusuit so much FUN!!!!!